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What is the best 4X only video card made for games?

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4megaserver

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I just got a Compaq Professional Workstation AP550 with dual 1Ghz P3's. It takes a 4x agp card, and i know the newer cards are 4x/8x compatible, but i dont want to spend that much money on this thing cause im just using it for when buddies come over to play games without their machine. I just want to know what ya'll think is the best 4x only card that was ever made? I dont care if its ATi or Nvidia, I just want the best preformance out of a 4x only card. Let me know what you think and thanks for the advice.
 

ziggo0

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Im not exactly sure but id say a GeForce 4 TI 4200 or possibly a 4600. I dont remember, although i do have a 4200 when overclocked, it matches my friends Radeon 9600 XT.
 
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what brand do you have? I've always had ATi stuff, except i had a Nvidia something back in the day in my Dell XPS-T600 when the 64MB cards first came out. It was a PNY I bought at Best Buy. I heard back then that the PNY's where the only good ones. I keep wanting to get a 9000Pro ATi, but I thought maybe the 8500 would be good too.
 

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You can get an 8x card, they are all backwards compatible. I think what you need is an X800XT PE. Hehe.

Actualy, a radeon 8500/9100 or a Gf4 ti seems about what you need. Btw, about the 8500. 8500 was first and best. 9000/pro came out, and it had less texturing power. 9100 came out as renamed 8500le(still better than 9000pro) then came the 9200. 9200 is a 9000np with agp8x, so its the slowest of all.
 

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I have a Leadtek Winfast A250 GeForce 4 Ti 4200 64meg DDR. The 4200 out performed my friends ATi Radeon 8500 LE card by quite a deal. I also heard that the 8500s' have a driver crisis on hand, although after a couple hours my friend got his working fine.
 

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I am not using that card in my computer right now for i have a ATi Radeon 9800 PRO. I have it in my other one. AMD Duron 766mhz (7*110), ECS K7S5A, 256meg PC 133 SDRAM, that computer runs Battlefield 1942 w/ Desert Combat at about 60fps with vsync on and 2xfsaa & 4x af at 800x600. Runs Half-Life and Counter-Strike perfectly along with Need For Speed Underground and the MOH series.
 
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So what manufacture makes the best Nvidia cards according to benchy's? Does that add up with the quality of that brand in question? Im seeing opinions going for the Ti4200 and the ATi 8500(non-LE) Anyone have either of these to report some benchy's or past troubles with either? I see you said the 8500 had some driver issues in the past, is that a present problem when using the current driver from ATi? Id like to see both cards head to head in 3dmark03 and see how they add up to eachother. Anyone seen a post of this?
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I have had an 8500, and 9100(8500le).The 9100 gets about 10000 3dmarks in 01, the 8500 gets about 11,000. With a high end system of course. The 8500 overclocked to allow over 13,000 marks. The only driver problem I have had was with the 4.3's to 4.4's where in halo some of the walls were see-through. Other than that, no problems.

The Ti4200/4400 will win in raw speed vs an 8500, but if you turn on AA/AF the 8500 will catch up and even surpass it. You can also get a 9100 at www.shentech.com for $42 for hte 64mb, and $50ish for the 128mb.
 

[AK]Zip

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ziggo0 said:
I cant even get 13,000 on 3dmark2001se with my radeon 9800p...

There is something wrong. I am getting 11k on system 2 with a Geforce 3. On system 1 with a ATI 9800Pro I just got 20187 and that is not a clean install or anything. I still have nvidia drivers on here but refuse to reinstall until I get my 6800U or UE.

-Alex-
 

ziggo0

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Your system2 seems to beat mine to death.

Athlon XP 2000+ 1.68ghz (12.5*134)
Abit NF7-S rev 2.0
3x256 (768mb) PC 2100 (My bios is saying that DDR Dual Channel is Enabled, just stuck another 256 in there today)
ATi Sapphire Radeon 9800 PRO 128mb

I dont see why mine is suffereing so much o_O
 

[AK]Zip

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ziggo0 said:
Your system2 seems to beat mine to death.

Athlon XP 2000+ 1.68ghz (12.5*134)
Abit NF7-S rev 2.0
3x256 (768mb) PC 2100 (My bios is saying that DDR Dual Channel is Enabled, just stuck another 256 in there today)
ATi Sapphire Radeon 9800 PRO 128mb

I dont see why mine is suffereing so much o_O

Did you try on a clean format? Also check in bios its set to 8x agp. Make sure your using the latest drivers. Also try overclocking the cpu some. I am not sure how CPU limited you are but you sure are CPU limited. I overclocked my friends XP2100+ to 2.45GHz at 2.0v with crucial PC-2100 memory at 3.2v at 2.8v they would go to 166 and at 3.2 it went to 206 but he keeps it at 205 X 12. Feel free to pm me for help.

-Alex-
 

macklin01

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I had the Abit 4200 (128 MB) from my sig in a PIII-S system for quite awhile. IIRC, I managed to just get under 10k 3Dmarks (2k1). That number goes up on a more modern system, of course.

I found that it handled just about any game I threw at it pretty reasonably well. Perhaps you have to turn down AA or AF on some games, but just for getting out and playing games, it works quite well. Q3A and Warcraft III performed beautifully with all effects turned on. Halo demo was also pretty good. I tried the FarCry demo and all was reasonably good with that as well, although some effects had to be turned down. (It's been so long, though, that I can't remember.)

-- Paul
 

JCLW

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Just ran 3Dmark01 on mine - 8500, dual PIII-800E @900 each, 512MB @ PC112: 6300
 

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I had a Radeon 8500 quite some time ago, and sold it in favor of a Ti4200 from Albatron. The 4200 was MUCH faster than the 8500. I can't really think of much where the 8500 was even nearly as good as the 4200. The 8500 had constantly garbage drivers, it seemed, and the OpenGL support was in the dumps. Since I play almost all of my games in OGL, the nVidia card was tops in pretty much anything. In most any game I played, whether it was IL-2, Age of Kings, QIII, Serious Sam, or any of my other myriad games, the 8500 showed some sort of funny banding or visual anomaly somewhere in the game - the 4200 pretty well fixed every issue I ever had with the 8500, and then some.

No, I don't have any Futuremark benches, since I couldn't have possibly cared less about synthetics like that. And I still don't - gameplay is the ONLY indicator of a video card's performance and quality.