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MaddMutt

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Hey Guys :)

I've been out of the picture for the last 2 months + or - for health reasons. What is the currently recommended :

Intel Motherboard -
Intel CPU for the MB -
2 x 4GB of Memory for MB -

I will still be running 290x's and SSD's for the new MB.
Should I wait for the ZEN from AMD????
I know that there will be a 480X and a 490/490X. Should I wait for them or pickup a GTX 1070???

Thank You in advance for the help :thup:
 
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MaddMutt

MaddMutt

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The 1150 system is already obsolete Correct ???????

I found a EVGA Z170 FTW for $175.00 and a 6700K for $375.00. The Memory is $50.00 but is only DDR4 2400 :( This should still be an upgrade over the Socket 1366 that I'm using Correct?????? I will be using Dice to cool the equipment.

Thank You Guys For The Help :)
 

Lochekey

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Yep the Z170 is the standard now. I would definitely be looking at better memory than 2400 though for DDR4.
 
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MaddMutt

MaddMutt

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I'm new to DDR4 :(
How does 16-16-16-16 sound??? Is this to high??? This is for a Crucial Ballistic Elite DDR4 3200 - BLE4G4D32AEEA
 

EarthDog

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Im confused... this is posted in the competitive benchmarking section... are you asking for a benching rig or daily driver?




480X has been out for a couple weeks, as is the 1070. I would also get a 1070 over the 480X if the budget allows.

The sweet spot for DDR4 memory for a daily driver is DDR4 3000-3200 CL14/CL15.

Also, you can find the 6700K for a lot less on newegg... $350.
 
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MaddMutt

MaddMutt

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Im confused... this is posted in the competitive benchmarking section... are you asking for a benching rig or daily driver?




480X has been out for a couple weeks, as is the 1070. I would also get a 1070 over the 480X if the budget allows.

The sweet spot for DDR4 memory for a daily driver is DDR4 3000-3200 CL14/CL15.

Also, you can find the 6700K for a lot less on newegg... $350.

Looking to get the parts for a new "current generation" benching rig. I finally realized, while I was sick, that I needed a 3D benching rig.
 

EarthDog

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Let's refresh your memory! :)

If you are looking to be aggressive in 3D, you really want more cores to play with. All benchmarks from 3DMark 06 forward have that CPU/PHysics test(s) which factor into the final score. These tests thrive on more cores. It takes a few/several hundred MHz to beat out a CPU with more cores (thinking 6700K to 6850K). But sometimes, that just isn't in the cards ($) even though difference in platforms isn't much ($100-$200). The board cost is a little higher, quad channel DDR4 vs dual, and the CPU cost.

To that end, a 1070 isn't the best choice either. For gaming, sure, but for benching... well, it depends on what you are looking to do honestly. Are you looking for globals? Than you need a 1080 and a Hex/Octo/Deca core CPU for best results. If you are just grinding hardware, then grab a hex and any card and get to it. What are your goals?

If you want the best of both worlds, Grab a 6700K. Its going to get you, likely, better 2D clocks, and does OK in 3D. But again, for 3D, you need CPU for all the Futuremark benchmarks.
 

Woomack

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All depends what you want to achieve. In 3D, 6 cores+ will beat anything 4 core in most benchmarks. In older benchmarks even pentium at higher clock will show good results. Really not always is point to spend a lot of money on benching.

If you want 6700K then get 2x8GB TridentZ 3000 14-14-14, 3200 14-14-14/15-15-15, 3600 15-15-15/16-16-16. No difference which kit, all are overclocking about the same. Also get ASRock OCF or higher MSI board ( read which one is good or compare hwbot results ). ASUS ROG is also good but won't overclock memory so high and cost more than MSI or ASRock.
From graphics cards ... new high series = globals but for that you need 5.5GHz+ CPU and/or 8 cores+. Older cards = higher hardware points and cards can be much cheaper.
 
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MaddMutt

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@ E_D - I keep bouncing back and forth between getting a Z170 or the 2011-v3 MB. I can get a cheap ES 18c/36t @ 2GHz for $350 but does it beat a 6700K @ 5GHz + ????
@ Woomack - I found a cheap Asrock Extreme 7+, is it as good as the OCF MB.????

Thanks Guys :thup:
 

Johan45

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You can't submit with current gen ES unless you move to elite. Is it a haswell or broadwell core. If I were you I'd start with the 6700K it's an easier system to operate and will still do 3D just some of the benches will hurt because of core count. The 6700 is also more like the AMD where you can run full pot unlike the X99 which has a CB/CBB. So it might just be easier for you overall. Memory is a lot easier to tune as well.
 

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You want a CPU that can overclock.

I have no idea what CPU that is/generation etc, to even a venture a guess as to how it would compare to a 5GHz 6700K.
 

Woomack

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Count 5GHz 4 core as 2.5GHz 8 core in multithreaded benchmarks. Still in most benchmarks 4 fast cores will be better than half speed double cores just because many tests are not using more than 4 threads. For example in 3DMarks multi cores are used mainly in physics while all 3D tests will use 2-4 threads. Sometimes more if it's new 3DMark.
You need something like:
4 core 6GHz
6 core 5.7GHz
8 core 5.2GHz
10 core 5GHz
and then it will have some point so generally dice/ln2

So if you want 1 platform for tests then get 6-8 cores which are clocking good on water and prepare to bench it on cold. More cores are good but are much more expensive ... or are not overclocking at all.

On every Z170 motherboard you can make 5GHz+. However not on every board memory will run higher than ~3400-3600 and for benchmarks it's good to have higher memory frequency. I don't know what about ASRock Extreme but I would stick to OC Formula or OC Formula in micro atx format which overclocks even better.
 
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All depends what you want to achieve. In 3D, 6 cores+ will beat anything 4 core in most benchmarks. In older benchmarks even pentium at higher clock will show good results. Really not always is point to spend a lot of money on benching.

If you want 6700K then get 2x8GB TridentZ 3000 14-14-14, 3200 14-14-14/15-15-15, 3600 15-15-15/16-16-16. No difference which kit, all are overclocking about the same. Also get ASRock OCF or higher MSI board ( read which one is good or compare hwbot results ). ASUS ROG is also good but won't overclock memory so high and cost more than MSI or ASRock.
From graphics cards ... new high series = globals but for that you need 5.5GHz+ CPU and/or 8 cores+. Older cards = higher hardware points and cards can be much cheaper.

The best I could find on NewEgg was 3200 @ 15-16-16
 

Tír na nÓg

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Global Boints melt quick!

As soon as a new gen is launched, you can be sure you will lose loads of points.

Older gen cards on a fast 6 or 8 cores are golden.
 
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Count 5GHz 4 core as 2.5GHz 8 core in multithreaded benchmarks. Still in most benchmarks 4 fast cores will be better than half speed double cores just because many tests are not using more than 4 threads. For example in 3DMarks multi cores are used mainly in physics while all 3D tests will use 2-4 threads. Sometimes more if it's new 3DMark.
You need something like:
4 core 6GHz
6 core 5.7GHz
8 core 5.2GHz
10 core 5GHz
and then it will have some point so generally dice/ln2

So if you want 1 platform for tests then get 6-8 cores which are clocking good on water and prepare to bench it on cold. More cores are good but are much more expensive ... or are not overclocking at all.

On every Z170 motherboard you can make 5GHz+. However not on every board memory will run higher than ~3400-3600 and for benchmarks it's good to have higher memory frequency. I don't know what about ASRock Extreme but I would stick to OC Formula or OC Formula in micro atx format which overclocks even better.

I messed up on buying the Extreme 7+ MB :( The memory maxes out @ 3866 on the MB :( I grabbed the DDR4 3200 14-14-14 from NewEgg (Thanks for the link E_D)

I was looking to get the i3 6100 but Optitrooper has already subbed with it. Should I pick up the i3 6098 as there are no subs for it?????
I'll grab an OCF MB and a i7 6700K next month.

Will trade 17yr Son for computer parts. He has totaled a Mercury Grand Marquis and almost totaled a VW Jetta in less than 21 days :(
 

Woomack

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If board has 3866 in dual channel on tested memory list then is high chance it will make 4000-4200. Problem is mainly with boards that have 3733-3866 max in single channel as these in most cases won't even boot at 4000+.
Memory which you got should easily make 3600 15-15-15 and tighter at higher voltage. Also up to 4000 16-16-16 or something near.
Learn how to overclock on one platform. Don't waste money on more. If you get i3 then you need non-K OC bios and these are often weird. It's also hard to make good points on that ( except maybe 2-3 benchmarks but still hard to get to the top ). Don't buy CPUs to cover hardware points as you get barely anything and team also won't get much. Buy i7 and use it for everything.
ASRock OCF is good series but if you got Extreme7 already then you won't see special difference. Maybe lower memory clock but it won't matter much as best results are generally at 3600-3800 and tight timings and that Extreme 7 will also make.