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whats the purpose of all this extreme cooling crap?

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AzzKickerG1

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I hate to see all these sites where guys use Liquid Nitrogen, Oil, and all this other crap. I mean seriously, whats the purpose.

you overclock a computer to experiemtn, to try to get the most out of your CPU. Yes it does get hot. but you dont need Extreme cooling.

Heres the way I look at it:
you buy a cpu thats a little slower than the fastes out. you overclock it to equivalent speeds of the fastest chip. WHy not just buy the faster chips in the first place. Dont give me that to save money crap, cuz thats bull. You save 30 bucks on a cheaper processor only to spend 300+ on cooling. It defeats the purpose.

Besides, most of you all only gain about 300mhz difference which really isnt good considering the money spend on cooling. I mean, just get the faster CPU. thats all I'm saying.
 
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Example:

IF I have a 950mhz AMD t-Bird and max it at 1.3Ghz. I'm gonna hvave to spend around 200+ on cooling. for that price I can just buy me a damn new T-Bird 1.33Ghz.
 

engjohn

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Well I have a 633Cele2 running at 1107Mhz.(can probably go higher) Thats what the cooling is for...

Got the chip for $50. spent maybe $100 on the water cooled peltier setup. So I have a $150 1.1G chip. Not too bad considering you can get a p/// 1G for about $225. But I didnt do it to save money, any body can go and buy a fast chip. I did it for the challenge, and just for the fun.
 
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William

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you could get that 1.33 and a cooling setup and jack it up......
 

OpenFriday

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Bragging rights my friend. That and just getting that 1 extra FPS in CS. But seriously, people do it for whatever strange reason they have. Im sure every one's is different. When i go into watercooling (no pelts) it'll be because i want a challange and very nice cpu temps. Every1 is different. Why do people put jet engines in their cars? Some folk are just crazy.
 

Staz

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The only way to answer this is with the three types of overclockers

There are 3 types of overclockers

Type 1:
wants bragging rights. wants to tell his buddy that he has a 1.5GHz processor. Wants to show his friends his extreme machine that can play quake @150fps.

Type 2:
Has Limited budget but still wants to play 3D games at acceptible frame rates. Or is just to chep to buy 1.33GHz processor but still wants that performance.

Type 3:
Just to see if the can do it. The hobbyist. These are the guys doing the extreme cooling. Kind of like moutain climbers. Do moutain climbers need to attempt K2 where 1 person dies for every 3 people reach the summit. Why don't they just climb MT. Raineir? Or take a helicopter to the top. These guys will probibly always overclock, because they enjoy it. And if they see that someone got to 2GHz
then they are gonna see if they can get there too. or better yet 2.1GHz. Just to see if they can
 

OpenFriday

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I dont think i can choose just 1 of those 3 as i am a bit of each. More #2 than anything, a fair share of #3 and a heafty spoonful of #1 (hey if youve got it flaunt it).
 
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Ok these are the answers i was looking for, THE CHALLENGE. thats what I'm all about. I wanted to see what you all would say. The reason I started this is because I have a friend who was all bull ****. He bragged about his super fan computer with all these fans. But when I asked him about his overclocking etc. He had noooooooo clue what core voltage was, what FSB was, what multiplyers were. All he knew was that his buddy changed things on his computer and it is now a "OVERCLOCKED" computer.
 

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OpenFriday (Apr 10, 2001 07:33 p.m.):
I dont think i can choose just 1 of those 3 as i am a bit of each. More #2 than anything, a fair share of #3 and a heafty spoonful of #1 (hey if youve got it flaunt it).

I started out as a 3/2/1...now I'm a 2/3/1.

If I ever get my hands on an intel confidential P/// 700E, I'l be gunning for 1/1/1, baby.

Mr B
 

Colin

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Sorry I missed this thread from the start. I was going to use a cute cliche about a mountain. I'm a 3 all the way.
 

Metaxas

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To me, overclocking is an art. Look at my sig, the other day I was running at 1.4Ghz, now i'm running at 1.47Ghz, (stable - finally) It took me a few hours, and several re-boots to get it just right. However, I still can't seem to get over 1.5G at all, hmmm, wonder if I put like one of those 50watt chillers on it, wonder if that would help? The other thing, is that I had to jack up the voltage, but the board only reports it as 1.82, when have it set to 1.85, and MBM 5 reports it as 1.80...hmmm...wonder if that could be why i'm not getting over 1.5, well anyways, it was still fun tinkering around with it to get it to this setting, and win2k never really had a problem with it, unless I got over agressive on the memory settings. I was playing quake3 at a smokin 135fps last night, headphones jacked up, and it hit a BSOD, it scared the sh** outta me... :) However, when I found the place where it would function without the BSOD, it was worth those few hours of work. I want to work with it somemore, but i've hit that wall...hmmmm.... :)

P.S. - This is also why I put the money into a real good water cooling system, air cooling is boring, its neat to see other computer users that don't know about watercooing and overclocking to look at my rig and go...SCHWEET!!!! - And not only that, there is a practical side too, water just cools betters then air, so why mess with air at all? :)
 

dimmreaper

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I'm a #4 kinda guy . . . .

#4

A guys needs to do something in his spare time. Some watch ball games. Some have little micro-brews going. Some restore old cars. Some collect stamps. Some do ameture radio. It's just a hobby. Not out to have the fastest PC. Not out to have the best PC value. Not out for bragging rights, or a pat on the back. Just OCing to OC. Life is a journey, enjoy the ride. It's just a hobby, perhaps even an obsession, no other reason.
 
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ebola

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I'm a Type 3. Fixing up the system is just fun. One day I will run my celeron 466's at 700+ mhz. Now thats just insane.
 

Jono

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Don't ever say that in the presence of a vw beetle owner!! I've got an aircooled that was made before me out last a watercooled car only 15 years old...water is for weenies!!

LOL

Jono



Metaxas (Apr 11, 2001 12:19 a.m.):
SNIP!
P.S. - This is also why I put the money into a real good water cooling system, air cooling is boring, its neat to see other computer users that don't know about watercooing and overclocking to look at my rig and go...SCHWEET!!!! - And not only that, there is a practical side too, water just cools betters then air, so why mess with air at all? :)
 

0dan0

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I agree with dimmreaper, I am a #4 type. Im not really in it for braggin, I dont really have a limited budget, and I dont really try to do it to the extreme. I am building a new computer, why not go for watercooling. I like trying to put together a nice watercooling system from old plumbing supplies and car parts. Im in it for the challenge of actually doing it.

-dan
 

Nagorak

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I'd say I'm a #2 because I want to get the most for my money no matter how much I spend. I also like to upgrade often, so it's just not practical to buy the fastest processor on the block every single time out. Basically I aim for the midrange because that is where you get the best price/performance. So either I can sit back and accept being in that range, OR I can overclock and get into the upper-midrange or high range without spending the serious cash. Also, even if I bought a high-end processor I would STILL feel the need to overclock it. I mean, why let that extra performance go to waste?

Add to that a little #3. All of the tweaking I do on my computer doesn't result in THAT much of an increase in performance. Let's accept it guys, running at 140 or 150 FSB does increase your system performance a little bit, but in reality it is so small that most people wouldn't even bother. In games you're still going to be limited by your graphics card anyway.

I really couldn't care less about #1. I'm not in this for bragging rights, I don't want the fastest CPU on the planet. Ok, I DO, but not to brag. Not everything has to be made into a major competition, somethings can just be done for the act itself!
 

jordan

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the question is why not? Same as hot rodding your car, you do it because you enjoy the challenge of making it work, not many hot rodders take their cars onto the highway and try to do 200mph, it is just the physical act of getting into the machine, getting your hands dirty and saying "I built this"
also, that watercooling system will most likely grow with your system and will give you probably a 20-25 percent speed increase in the chip you initially run with it, but future chips as well.
 

Oni

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Everybody does it for different reasons, I think. Wether it be bragging rights, or just a few extra frames per second in Q3TA. I do it because I want to squeeze that little bit more out of my system. I want to be able to get that extra 50 Mhz out of my processor. I do it for the satisfaction of knowing that I've learned something new and interesting that can help me get the most out of my computer. But I also do it for the bragging rights as well. ^_^. Its something to do. Its kinda like challenging yourself. Like: "OK, it goes this fast, but I KNOW that it can go faster, lets see if I can make it go there!" Just my 2 cents.
 

Mongo

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I personally enjoy taking Tbirds to the max for the fun of it.......the evil Mrs. won't allow me to soup up the cars so this is my hotrod...........cheaper too.......