why bother o/c&#39ng these WEAK ss7 k6-x chips?

[digitalsin]

why am I seeing this? There is absolutely *NO* point whatsoever. Sorry, but AMD didn't really know the diff. between a CPU and a hole in the ground when it came to those k6-2 processors, or the k6-3 that matter, IMHO.

I owned a k6-2 400, what a waste of 68$ when i first purchased it. It ran totally hot, gave me nothing for performance, and my pentium 200mmx ran faster.

Sorry, but the money/time you'd blow on making sure you could o/c your super socket 7 (dunno what's so super about it) setup could be used towards a low-end slot 1/socket370 setup.

Prices for hardware are ridiculously low right now, go out and blow the dough. you'll save yourself a lot of headaches and notice a significant performance increase.

If you're using a ss7 setup for your primary machine, i've got one word : ouch.

 

[thelmores]

i would suggest before you put down a socket7, you should really do some research. if you did, you would find that there are really good k63+ .18micron processors, which can easily be overclocked. but in order to do this, you have to have a stable mainboard and ram.i have a gigabyte ga-5ax(rev5) with 256mb cas3 133mhz ram, and can overclock the fsb to 115mhz, and runs very stable(5 x 115=575mhz). the k63+ will run at 575mhz at the default core voltage of 2.0v, which greatly minimizes heat produced. the k63+ was designed for notebooks, but can be used on most newer mainboards which support 2.0v core. this processor can be had for 60$ plus s/h on pricewatch. very close to performance of duron 600!
why overclock? i get a major boost in performance between a 450 and 575(not to mention a 115mhz fsb).
would also recommend good heatsink/fan!
cya!

 

[digitalsin]

thelmores (Dec 25, 2000 09:31 a.m.):
i would suggest before you put down a socket7, you should really do some research. if you did, you would find that there are really good k63+ .18micron processors, which can easily be overclocked. but in order to do this, you have to have a stable mainboard and ram.i have a gigabyte ga-5ax(rev5) with 256mb cas3 133mhz ram, and can overclock the fsb to 115mhz, and runs very stable(5 x 115=575mhz). the k63+ will run at 575mhz at the default core voltage of 2.0v, which greatly minimizes heat produced. the k63+ was designed for notebooks, but can be used on most newer mainboards which support 2.0v core. this processor can be had for 60$ plus s/h on pricewatch. very close to performance of duron 600!
why overclock? i get a major boost in performance between a 450 and 575(not to mention a 115mhz fsb).
would also recommend good heatsink/fan!
cya!

Right... a Duron 600, also one of the weakest socket A chips out there.. A low end, socket A chip, that you could upgrade later by purchasing a 1 gigahertz socket A chip if you wanted, along with AGP 4x compliance, PC133 support, ATA 100 support, etc.. and a plethora of other options *NOT FOUND* on socket7 motherboards. There's no scalability when it comes to those chips/motherboards , and that's exactly my point.

AMD's new socket A platform was designed for people to get out of the socket7 rut and in to something with a lot more horsepower. you said it yourself, come close to a duron 600, ok, where do you go from there? that's about as high as you're gonna get with those chips.. to me, that's pathetic. 60$ k6-3? Why do that when I can reach close to 900mhz (if i'm lucky) with a FOURTY FIVE DOLLAR duron 600? (also pricewatch.com)

 

[Nagorak]

thelmores (Dec 25, 2000 09:31 a.m.):
i would suggest before you put down a socket7, you should really do some research. if you did, you would find that there are really good k63+ .18micron processors, which can easily be overclocked. but in order to do this, you have to have a stable mainboard and ram.i have a gigabyte ga-5ax(rev5) with 256mb cas3 133mhz ram, and can overclock the fsb to 115mhz, and runs very stable(5 x 115=575mhz). the k63+ will run at 575mhz at the default core voltage of 2.0v, which greatly minimizes heat produced. the k63+ was designed for notebooks, but can be used on most newer mainboards which support 2.0v core. this processor can be had for 60$ plus s/h on pricewatch. very close to performance of duron 600!
why overclock? i get a major boost in performance between a 450 and 575(not to mention a 115mhz fsb).
would also recommend good heatsink/fan!
cya!

I kind of have to agree...socket 7 is dead. You can purchase a faster Duron for less than a K6-3. Even at the same clock speed, the Duron totally blows the K6-3 out of the water. And of course, you can easily get that Duron up to 800 MHz, if not 900 and beyond.

My advice: resell your K6-x on Ebay, along with your motherboard and anything else that is incompatible with an Asus A7V+Duron setup ;-) . Then get some new stuff and overclock to your heart's content!

 

[Cheezwiz]

I had a K6-2 400 also, what a hunk of junk. No matter what a hardcore AMD fan did to try and convince me, I still noticed much better performance from my P2-400, I'm glad I made that trade.

 

[dimmreaper]

I am currently running my Socket7 Nostalgia system.

I love it. It's not that I don't have the money for something better, I do. I find it has adequate performance. The only beef I have about it is the chipsets crap memory controller. I used to run PC100 ram in it but found that I get higher memory bandwidth with EDO simms (sounds goofy, but it's true) I currently have a K6-III 400 2.4V @ 500 3.0V with liquid cooling. I will be upgrading to a duron next month, just to join the GigaHertz+ club. With durons and SDRAM being so damn cheap I figure I better jump on it now. Really just waiting on KT133A. In sandra my FPU marks are just shy of a celeron 566, and my ALU marks match my P2-333@333 perfectly.

I have built Duron boxes for two clients and am very impressed with the performance.

 

[thelmores]

as a new system, sure a s7 is dead. but how many people out there still have a s7 for a main system, or a 2nd system in a home network (such as i do).

i only suggested that a k63+450 for 60 dollarswas a good upgrade for an already existing s7 system, alot better than a pentium 2 (LOL).

by the way, i have a spare duron 650 cpu which will run @ 963mhz stable, which at that performance coupled with a asus a7v with 256mb 133mhz crucial ram, will almost outperform a pent3 1ghz, (sisandra benchmarks enclosed ) for a hell of alot less money!
sisandra 2001 benchmaks
cpu
dhrystone alu 2703 mips(1410 k63575)
whetstone fpu 1302mflops(679 k63575)
memory
int alu/ram bandwidth 439mb/s
float fpu/ram bandwidth 523 mb/s

point......for now at least, socket a is the way to go!

but the s7 is not dead, by any stretch.
(so says my k63450@575).

 

[Bruno]

I've had my little K6-2 500 running @ 600 for over a year now. Granted it's not cutting edge, but it still performs quite well thanks. I recently had my old P1 166 in for a fun little oc to 250 and believe me, there's a world of difference w/ the K6.

Thelmores:

Could you post some Sandra test results from your III+. I'm thinking about trying one.

Bruno

 

[Nagorak]

Alright...

Well, it really depends what purposes you are using the computer before. I will admit, if you HAVE a super 7 setup, then you are better off overclocking it than leaving it running at stock. But if you need any serious performance, you are better off going for even the lowest performing Duron setup (even not overclocked).

 

[surlyjoe]

AHHAHAHA I'm playing Action halflife on an overclocked k-6200 at266 with voodoo1 at 68mhz right now and its smooth as hell at 640x480 ,,,and looks better than my kids playstation ,,the old stuff is still the funnest to smack on ,,cause if you burn it up tryin some crazy *** crap ,,its not that big of deal

 

[dimmreaper]

surlyjoe (Dec 27, 2000 01:17 a.m.):
AHHAHAHA I'm playing Action halflife on an overclocked k-6200 at266 with voodoo1 at 68mhz right now and its smooth as hell at 640x480 ,,,and looks better than my kids playstation ,,the old stuff is still the funnest to smack on ,,cause if you burn it up tryin some crazy *** crap ,,its not that big of deal

Tunneled your way out from under that rock? Must have been a hell of a rock

 

[thelmores]

LOL

 

[surlyjoe]

Jeff Evans (Dec 27, 2000 01:52 a.m.):

surlyjoe (Dec 27, 2000 01:17 a.m.):
AHHAHAHA I'm playing Action halflife on an overclocked k-6200 at266 with voodoo1 at 68mhz right now and its smooth as hell at 640x480 ,,,and looks better than my kids playstation ,,the old stuff is still the funnest to smack on ,,cause if you burn it up tryin some crazy *** crap ,,its not that big of deal

Tunneled your way out from under that rock? Must have been a hell of a rock

ya it was a major boulder dood ,,some dayy I'll post it and you'll all hurt yourself laughing ,,

 

[dimmreaper]

I can stand a good painful laugh from time to time

 

[Jez]

I agree with whoever it was that said that socket 7 is crap, it is, its slow and old and £250 (sorry i dont know about american prices) will buy you a very nice upgrade past the GHZ mark. So why play half life on a crappy old socket 7 266 with edo simms. I do think however that a socket 7 system can be fun for home networking as they can be built for nearly nothing out of old systems (i have 3 socket 7 systems).

 

[Rapha]

I'am overclocking SS7 FOR THE FUN !!!
Are you looking for the fastest computer in the world ? LOL. You should by a Bi-Alpha Station for 50000$ !!
I can play any game I want with my overclocked K6-III and GeForce. Why should I buy anything else today ? WHY ?
And for business applications, my 57.3 CPUMark99 is enough.

 

[Torch]

Granted, the SS7 is dead as Dillinger. But at the height of their success, they were decent chips for excellent prices. Comparing a K6-2 400 to a PII 400? Forgot one important factor, pal ... $$$$$$$. DUH.

You can dog the K6-2s and -3s all you want, but they were a MAJOR factor in getting CPU prices down, and getting better products on the market faster. You should be thanking AMD for those chips.

 

[Treker]

My Bro has some sort of Inteva with a SiS 530 Board (Thats all it says)

With a AMD K62 450mhz chip, 128 pc100 ram, and asked me to overclock it to 500 or 550 for him, I told him I would give it a whirl...

I cant find settings in the Bios for this, and I can NOT find any good amount of jumpers for this on the board, but there are charts on it.. just no jumpers...

Whats up with this?

 

[digitalsin]

Treker (Dec 29, 2000 12:51 a.m.):
My Bro has some sort of Inteva with a SiS 530 Board (Thats all it says)

With a AMD K62 450mhz chip, 128 pc100 ram, and asked me to overclock it to 500 or 550 for him, I told him I would give it a whirl...

I cant find settings in the Bios for this, and I can NOT find any good amount of jumpers for this on the board, but there are charts on it.. just no jumpers...

Whats up with this?

Hmm.. You say you see the charts for the multipler/fsb adjustment, perhaps you're looking in the wrong place around the chart.. My old ss7 P5A-B had the little chart drawn on the PCB but the jumpers were on the other side of the motherboard..

I seriously doubt there'd be anything in bios related to setting the multipler/jumper as i'm not too sure that specific feature was used in any socket7 bios/mobo. Then again I could be wrong, but oh well.. perhaps some more system specs would prove to be helpful.. BTW, i dont' think that's a SiS motherboard, (I believe that's your onboard graphics) keep looking around for the motherboard brand so we can help you further..

 

[Deviant]

There was a time once when a K6-2 was the FASTEST chip on the market. Only `for about a week or 2, before the P2-233 came out.
Of course it's old and antequated now, but in a couple of years, you'll all be bagging the Duron and KT133 chipset as being slow and useless.
My point is you have to remember that the K6 line of processors is old technology before saying it's useless crap.