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seer33

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Will a 1700 @ 2.5 ghz outperform a barton 2500 @ 2.2 ghz?

 

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yes,

its a generally accepted rule of thumb that the cache on a barton is worth about 100Mhz

 

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so why are all these people spending 90$ on a xp2500 when they can spend like 68 for a almsot gurantee 2.4ghz+ cp1700 on air?

 

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Because they think they can get 2.5 GHz + that cache thing.

You know even that $49 guaranteed T-Bred B does 2.2-2.3 even if it's a DUT3C 1700+.

 

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2.5ghz with barton would be pretty damn hard with air i assme...maybe some better stepping will come out pushing the limits a little more?

 

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not at all.. the new bartons steppings are doing quite well.. mine does 2.3 at stock voltage.. with a lil juice i dont see why it wont hit 2.5.. im just not confortable giving it so much juice in the summer =d

 

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there's something else you have to take into consideration.. there arnt alot of places that you can get 1700 dlt3c that ocs up to 2.4+. And the places that do such as excalibur normall charges 65+ and 5 for shipping making it 70 dollars for an OEM chip.. barton was 83 dollars retail like 2 weeks ago at newegg. FOr me that is a great reason to go barton and not buy that 1700+

 

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It's also a reason to buy 2100+ T-Bred B instead of paying $70 for that 1700+.

 

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hmmph, im pretty dissapointed with my 2100's performance, i can only get it to go at 2.3ghz but its pretty unstable @ 2.0 vcore =\
I run it at 1.7vcore just cuz i like temps under 40, but i really couldnt push this chip much further...If the xp2500 can hit 2.4+ pretty easily, then i'd be glad to upgrade...

 

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So with the barton 2500+ its any stepping that does well, also with the tbred 1700+, any stepping does well, its just the excaliber one that will do 2.4ghz+

 

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Don't be disappointed with 2100's 2.3xx GHz. That's the everage expected overclock. (Mine's 2280)

1700+ Thoroughbred B's that are DLT3C (careful there are also A's with this code) instead of DUT3C are generally said to OC slightly better. They can be bought at a premium when "guaranteed".

Barton's cache is said to be worth 100 MHz

2.3 Barton = 2.4 T-Bred.

I think 2.4+ is a matter of luck and other equipment.

2.3xx is great if you can get it, don't complain !!!

 

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hm i guess your right. I want to wait though unitl people can hit 2.4 ghz with the barton cores (easily)

 

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I've been thru 3 2100's and 2 1700's I like the 2100's better.

 

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Here, in a post by hitechjb1, you can find some useful info instead of people defending whichever CPU they have with no facts to support their theory.

 

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An interesting debate... 1700 or 2500 for the best bang for the buck.

I just upgraded from a 2500+ to a 1700+.

My KT333 motherboard was limited to 12.5x multiplier until I did the wire in the socket mod (thanks to www.ocinside.de )

The 2500+ maxed out at 2305mhz and the 1700+ is running at 2500mhz.

The Barton actually gave slightly better 3dmark scores but the 1700+ feels quicker in applications.

Unless you have an application that takes advantage of the extra cache on the CPU the 1700+ DTL3C is the way to go IMHO.

 

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Nicely said LBJGH!

I just recieved a new Barton 2500+ AXDA2500KV4D 9770278251311
AQXEA 0327VPMW.
Green CPU.

Wondering what I can get.

 

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That is a late stepping, you may get lucky Hurk. You may as well check it out... most of the 2500's do 2.3ghz

 

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Good to hear. I'm still debating trying it, or just using my 1700+ 0310. I can get more $$ for it without opening it... hmph.

 

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you may get more money if you can show the thing does 2.4ghz and you don't damage the core with the HSF (not that a pro like you would chip a core... you buy em that way )

 

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shhh.. that's between me.. and everyone =)
I've only ever chipped 1 core. My T-Bird 1.0Ghz AXIA.