I just thought I'd put in a mention about the "crinkly" copper bits in the background. They're sheet copper bent into that shape to go inbetween the pipes in a heatercore style radiator. I'm still working on the radiator, but will probably leave out the "crinkles". It's taking aaaaaaaages to make, and has sat on the side gathering dust for a while - my father died just before christmas, right after I posted about making this radiator - so now it looks like nothing's materialising on this radiator, when I've actually just been busy with other stuff. Anyway, rambling on aside, I will make the radiator, and post on how it performs. I've got a few nice photos of various stages already. I'm just at the stage where I'm making the end header tanks / plenum chambers / whatever they're called.