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Article obtained from: http://www.livescience.com/imageoftheday/siod_050427.html
I wonder if this could be applied to our needs? Imagine a smaller unit and easier to maintain.
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Article obtained from: http://www.livescience.com/imageoftheday/siod_050427.html
I wonder if this could be applied to our needs? Imagine a smaller unit and easier to maintain.
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uh...tiny peltiers....ok
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Yeah sounds like they shrunk the good old TEC. I wonder what the power useage are like. Maybe future CPU could integrate that inside the chip?
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that would be sweet. overclocked dual-dualcore processor laptops/videocards. at regulated optimal temperatures
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I am still looking for more information on this. It does look rather nice for someone who does not want a huge power draw or the techincals on a full blown TEC. The size is what interested me.
I wonder if it could make our large heatsinks smaller.
I wonder if it could make our large heatsinks smaller.
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Enablingwolf said:
Well, a small tec isn't gonna cool a processor. They had the mini tecs cool a small cube of germanium that is 250 microns long to a side! That is in a lab and since the germanium puts out no heat, they were just testing the maximum temp difference between the hot and cold side. Never said how long they were running to get that or the ambient temperature on the hot side of the tecs. (I am assuming very cold to keep them from frying and attempting very cold cold side temps)
If you run a tec, your heatsink can only get larger. It does look good that it seems these may be more efficient than our standard ones, but they would need to be the same size or larger to help out on our future procs.
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if amd started shoving tecs in to their chips that wouldnt be that great for some of us, ie thouse with phase change. When you have a head at -50C on your chip the tec would only get in the way and hurt things. The way I see it once you cooled the top of the tec and rid it off all the heat is it putting out the extra cooling isnt going to make the tec cool better on the other side, I suppose the cold passing though the tec from the head will but it would pass alot easier with no tec in the way.
in which case 2 thumbs down for integrated tecs.
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Pf.Farnsworth said:if amd started shoving tecs in to their chips that wouldnt be that great for some of us, ie thouse with phase change. When you have a head at -50C on your chip the tec would only get in the way and hurt things. The way I see it once you cooled the top of the tec and rid it off all the heat is it putting out the extra cooling isnt going to make the tec cool better on the other side, I suppose the cold passing though the tec from the head will but it would pass alot easier with no tec in the way.
You should read up on TECs, they dont make heat dissapear, they move it.
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Best way to understand a TEC is as a heat pump, not a complete cooler. In the process they also add in their own heat. Slap micro TECs in a laptop and you still gotta get rid of the heat through some sort of heatsink or radiator that can dump it fast enough to keep it cool considering the max dif in temps per side of the TEC.
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I doubt we could use one of them, depending on the size (especially that size) the heatload would be nothing before the temps go into a deadly spiral 
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...Thats why I said what I said. It is a heat pump and it can only pump so much. If you cool a 100w pelt to -50C and then to -100C the later one will not make it pump more heat, hence the -100C cooling power above is wasted.
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Pf.Farnsworth said:
It will pump the same heat at 100c cooler......
The pelt creates a temperature drop from the hot side, cool the hot side an extra 20c and the cold side will cool anouther 20c. I dont see how that is wasted. Except for the fact that there is not much diff between -50c and -100c in OCing.
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TECs loose efficiency at negative temps. So phase changing a TEC on a cpu isn't going to make the cpu any colder.
I also give a thumbs down to TECs integrated on a cpu. Overall case heat would increase a lot, and water cooling or a much more efficient air cooling would have to be required to keep a 200w cpu (it will come one day) cool plus a ~350-500w TEC on that. Not to mention the power requirements they would need.
I don't think the average computer market needs extreme cooling for a long time. Massive air cooled heat sinks should be able to handle heat output for many years to come.
I also give a thumbs down to TECs integrated on a cpu. Overall case heat would increase a lot, and water cooling or a much more efficient air cooling would have to be required to keep a 200w cpu (it will come one day) cool plus a ~350-500w TEC on that. Not to mention the power requirements they would need.
I don't think the average computer market needs extreme cooling for a long time. Massive air cooled heat sinks should be able to handle heat output for many years to come.
