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Re: My 2cp

Black Hawk said:
yes, hacking is bad, but what most people don't realize the majority of people that can be called hackers either OC, or really break in just to send notes about security holes. (the white hats.) It's just the media that makes them look bad. I say the media was a creation of the devil, along with the following:

AOL
Microsoft
Enron
Burger King
Compaq
Let me repeat aol one last time, because I think that AOL is the means in which satan plans to rule the world. (joking...)

Black Hawk
Newbie:burn:

WHat do you mean Burger King is that best fast food restarant, way better than McDonalds...
 
Alot of people use the term "Hacker" as a bad person ..
But alot of the Defining you guys did on the word is correct ..

A "Hacker" is good
A "Cracker" is bad
 
The word hacker was first applied to those how could sit down at a computer and hack out computer code to write a program. Only later was it applied to those who break in to computer programs or systems.
 
NO DAMNIT! A cracker is a person who cracks software and such. A hacker is a person who sneaks across networks, doin whatever they want without being cought. There are three types of hackers, blackhat, whitehat, and grayhat. Im sick of ppl sayin that hackers are good. The only reason ppl say this because some sites like hackers.com have a bunch of idiots who want the title of "a hacker" but are afraid of the concenqunces (spelling?) and therefore rewrite the defenition of a hacker. Trust me i know this stuff, i hav been cought before doing this stuff, i have seen a lot of ppl get of loose, etc. Most of my neighhbors are hackers/crackers.


learning about technology, programming, etc is not hacking!! thats just plain, smack across the face, learning!
 
blackhawk is damn close on this one, there are actually 3 different types of hackers, black hat, grey hat, and white hat...

black hat hackers are in thus crackers.. hacking for a BAD cause, grey hat hackers IMO are just punks who mess around with proggies and talk alot of trash.
White Hat Hackers, are the angels of the Hacking community. so when you say hackers, you are making a generalization of a entire community of people and most of the time one that is WRONG, but i agree with the old title, most people see hacking as bad. if the shoe fits wear it. the use of "hackers" is good for the n00bs and besides the point WHO CARES??? most of us here understand the differences so why argue about it, the n00bs dont.. so instead of having a million threads about b/s just leave it... it works..


Just My Opinion!

im not even going to reply to this thread again.
 
definition of a hacker:

hacker n.

[originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe] 1. A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary. 2. One who programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who enjoys programming rather than just theorizing about programming. 3. A person capable of appreciating hack value. 4. A person who is good at programming quickly. 5. An expert at a particular program, or one who frequently does work using it or on it; as in `a Unix hacker'. (Definitions 1 through 5 are correlated, and people who fit them congregate.) 6. An expert or enthusiast of any kind. One might be an astronomy hacker, for example. 7. One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations. 8. [deprecated] A malicious meddler who tries to discover sensitive information by poking around. Hence `password hacker', `network hacker'. The correct term for this sense is cracker.

The term `hacker' also tends to connote membership in the global community defined by the net (see the network and Internet address). For discussion of some of the basics of this culture, see the How To Become A Hacker FAQ. It also implies that the person described is seen to subscribe to some version of the hacker ethic (see hacker ethic).

It is better to be described as a hacker by others than to describe oneself that way. Hackers consider themselves something of an elite (a meritocracy based on ability), though one to which new members are gladly welcome. There is thus a certain ego satisfaction to be had in identifying yourself as a hacker (but if you claim to be one and are not, you'll quickly be labeled bogus). See also geek, wannabee.

This term seems to have been first adopted as a badge in the 1960s by the hacker culture surrounding TMRC and the MIT AI Lab. We have a report that it was used in a sense close to this entry's by teenage radio hams and electronics tinkerers in the mid-1950s.

Credit: Tuxedo.org
 
Definition of a cracker.


cracker n.

One who breaks security on a system. Coined ca. 1985 by hackers in defense against journalistic misuse of hacker (q.v., sense 8). An earlier attempt to establish `worm' in this sense around 1981-82 on Usenet was largely a failure.

Use of both these neologisms reflects a strong revulsion against the theft and vandalism perpetrated by cracking rings. The neologism "cracker" in this sense may have been influenced not so much by the term "safe-cracker" as by the non-jargon term "cracker", which in Middle English meant an obnoxious person (e.g., "What cracker is this same that deafs our ears / With this abundance of superfluous breath?" - Shakespeare's King John, Act II, Scene I) and in modern colloquial American English survives as a barely gentler synonym for "white trash".

While it is expected that any real hacker will have done some playful cracking and knows many of the basic techniques, anyone past larval stage is expected to have outgrown the desire to do so except for immediate, benign, practical reasons (for example, if it's necessary to get around some security in order to get some work done).

Thus, there is far less overlap between hackerdom and crackerdom than the mundane reader misled by sensationalistic journalism might expect. Crackers tend to gather in small, tight-knit, very secretive groups that have little overlap with the huge, open poly-culture this lexicon describes; though crackers often like to describe themselves as hackers, most true hackers consider them a separate and lower form of life.


Credit: Tuxedo.org
 
Speaking of hacked

This morning I tried to come to overclockers both thru my shortcut and thru Google and guess what: I am being redirected to UGO.com. I have cleaned my system as best I know how and the redirect is still there. I had to get here thru the mail links to the threads. Am I p@%#%$ed. You bet. Do I want to make them pay for this transgression YOU BET. I am one angy man right now. Any help getting this crap off my puter will be appreciated:mad:
 
Mikey - make sure your a searching for and your links are to overclocker overclocker takes you to a porn related site.
 
Tyhanks Exar Jun I was using Overclockers Iwasn't getting sent to a Porn site. It is a site called UGO.com a game and puter stuff site. Actually it looked like a pretty decent site, but they won't ever see me again LOL. I got everything cleared. Spent the last 2 days dumping scanning and flushing my system. i guess the housekeeping was needed anyway L. All ok now tho. Next my quest is to find the B!@#$%rds responsible. One more learning experience L. thanks again.
 
i just saw this thread right now and i got to say that i do agree with Genrou.
hack·er1 Pronunciation Key (hkr)
n. Informal
1)One who is proficient at using or programming a computer; a computer buff.
2)One who uses programming skills to gain illegal access to a computer network or file.
3)One who enthusiastically pursues a game or sport: a weekend tennis hacker.

now, number one i do agree with. number 2 should not be there, it should be next to "criminal"

cracking, its just reverse engineering. loading up win32dasm and a hex editor and modding a certain file to work the way you want it to be and its legal. but we should all follow the rules that are put in this forum. if you want to talk about stuff like that you can find diffrent boards that allow this. =)
 
Re: Speaking of hacked

Mikey7 said:
This morning I tried to come to overclockers both thru my shortcut and thru Google and guess what: I am being redirected to UGO.com. I have cleaned my system as best I know how and the redirect is still there. I had to get here thru the mail links to the threads. Am I p@%#%$ed. You bet. Do I want to make them pay for this transgression YOU BET. I am one angy man right now. Any help getting this crap off my puter will be appreciated:mad:

Check your url spelling, one of the domain name grabber lowlifes might have registred a misspelled version of oc-forums.com. Also, run ad-aware on your mashine with the scan drives option and check your [wherever the windoze stores local DNS entires, in linux that would be resolv.conf] and see if some prog changed it to resolve oc-forums to ugo's IP.

As for the discussion itself, trying to explain the terminology to everyone and thier dog has worn me down and at this point I will allow others to carry on this debate.
 
Big up Bmxpunk86pl ur totally right!

Hackers are not at all bad ppl! Crackers are the bad ones (and black hat hackers)

DrewBoOty has explained this masterfully! :cool:

Hackers are NOT crackers! Most REAL hackers are good ppl who inform system administrators of the loopholes in their systems so that CRACKERS cannot come and exploit them!

If any of you have read Ankit Fadia's awesome book,
'The unofficial guide to ethical hacking' ( www.ankitfadia.com )
then you will know what i am talking about!

Visit his website (URL above) to see the REAL meaning of a HACKER as opposed to a CRACKER!
 
its actually Kaneda now., but anyway Mikey7 bro you werent hacked. i had this problem also, resulted in hours of looking for the crap sh*t spyware/adware program that was doing this.

i found something like c:\program files\common files\ugo.*!2~ some crazy wack sh*t like that.. check for it...
 
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Thanks Kaneda, Yeah some idiots have nothing better to do with their time than to screw with people. I finally got it cleared thanks to 3 days of hassle and lots of help from the guys here in the forums. Never did figure out for sure what it was but I suspect something similar to what you got only mine came in through Alexa. Funny thing though an ad aware delete wouldn't clear it. Ended up just dumping most of the system. Oh well I got lots of education and some much needed houskeeping. Always a bright side. Thanks
 
R3V3L4710N said:
Big up Bmxpunk86pl ur totally right!

Hackers are not at all bad ppl! Crackers are the bad ones (and black hat hackers)

DrewBoOty has explained this masterfully! :cool:

Hackers are NOT crackers! Most REAL hackers are good ppl who inform system administrators of the loopholes in their systems so that CRACKERS cannot come and exploit them!

If any of you have read Ankit Fadia's awesome book,
'The unofficial guide to ethical hacking' ( www.ankitfadia.com )
then you will know what i am talking about!

Visit his website (URL above) to see the REAL meaning of a HACKER as opposed to a CRACKER!


now a days that definition is wrong. hackers are both good and malicious. Its just a matter of how you use the knowledge that you have for good or bad. the majority of hackers just "hack" for the fun. while others do very bad things. crackers, they dont hack, they arent hackers. you dont need to know how to program/write some l33t program to hack but to crack you do need to now some type of language or you just......suck. most people would agree with this, most people wont. if you think a hacker is someone who burns computer down to the ground then look up script kiddy or something in that area. :burn:
 
I Once did a web chat after a documentary with the legandary John T Draper (AKA Captain Crunch) who was a old time hacker/phone phreaker who worked out that a plastic whistle from a pack of captain crunch cereal could be used to access phone systems many years ago.
When asked what his definition of a hacker was and he seemed to be of the opinion that a hacker is now a youth who downloads applications from the internet and attacks peoples systems with the belief that they have skill. The reason he was of this opinion was that the majority of these people he believed did not discover the flaw or write the application they are using to exploit a system and in fact the majority have limited understanding of what they are doing.. they are just following previous knowledge.
John Draper was of the opinion that true hackers have now obtained different titles to call themselves such as 'programmer' and 'system admin' it is these people who understand programming languages and protocols.. it is these people who helped build the internet.. and this is what a hacker once meant... now it means someone who helps bring the internet down.

Seems fair enough to me..
 
if your interested the world greatest hackers are :

Richard Stallman
Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson
John Draper
Mark Abene
Robert Morris
Kevin Mitnick
Kevin Poulsen
Johan Helsingius
Vladimir Levin
Douglas Engelbart
Steve Wozniak
Clifford Stoll
Linus Torvalds
Tsutomu Shimomura

Do you not agree ????
 
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