I mentioned the MINIMAL subscription price. If you want the full subscription, it's $2800. I've beta tested Whistler, Memphis and Janus. I passed on Longhorn/Vista because I don't have time to effectively submit the reports and troubleshoot the beta's anymore, and when I read the NDA at the time I didn't notice anything different from the previous versions. The majority of Technet has always been accessible to anyone. MSDN is an entirely different matter. If you really want to get into a p**sing contest, I've been an MSDN since 1997. How long you've been part of the program means absolutely nothing. The legality of it remains the same though out. You shouldn't be posting asking for help here, you should be posting in the Vista newsgroups helping them complete the product. That's what you agreed to do when you chose to beta test the product.