i still say geforce 3 is better than R8500.
i have since the beginning of the argument and i still do.
reasoning:
1)geforce 3 performs better in most games than an 8500. 3dmark is the main benchy that likes ATi
2)all of a geforce 3's features work. quincunx AA + 8x ansio=beautiful
3)better tweaking options with a geforce 3 (IMHO!!)
IMO games look better on a geforce 3 than an 8500.
the 8500 has the 2d quality crown, but i like the way games rendered on a geforce 3 look, but it really is a matter of preferance.
ah and youl never have the driver worries on a Nvidia card that u have with an ati.
even catalyst has its share of roblems
i have a lot of hope fpr R300 though, im not an ATi hater, just for the record. i loved my original Radeon, which i thought was better than Nvidia's offerings at the time.
you should also consider a geforce 4 Ti4200, it is considerably faster than both cards here, and shouldnt cost much more, if any more.