Advice on Gaming Computer Build

[scottybobo]

My main issue is with the motherboard/RAM. Having a tough time deciding what DDR3 Corsair rams to pick. The motherboard(s) are DDR3 1666(OC)/1333/1066 and DDR3 2000(O.C.)/1333/1066.

Further questions: Will these parts even fit in this case rr should I upgrade to a larger case?
Will this build play games such as BFBC2/Crysis2 with high graphics?
Thanks in advance.

The build so far:

Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm Fan, 1x Rear 120mm Fan, option Fans-2x Side 120mm Fan $59.99


Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders $109.99


SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $74.99


CORSAIR XMS 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX8GX3M2A1600C9 $98.99
Or
CORSAIR XMS 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000 (PC3 16000) Desktop Memory Model CMX8GX3M2A2000C9 $145.49
Or
CORSAIR XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 Desktop Memory Model CMX8GX3M2A1333C9 $92.49


ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard $149.99 DDR3 2000(O.C.)/1333/1066
Or
GIGABYTE GA-770T-USB3 AM3 AMD 770 USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard $89.99 DDR3 1666(OC)/1333/1066


AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Thuban 2.8GHz Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor HDT55TFBGRBOX $179.99


XFX Black Edition P1-750B-CAG9 750W ATX12V v2.2 / ESP12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply $129.99


HIS H685F1GD Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity $174.49


LINKS:
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131631 Motherboard $149.99

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128431 Motherboard $89.99

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145325 Corsair RAM DDR3 2000 $145.49

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145315 Corsair RAM DDR3 1333 $92.49

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145324 Corsair RAM DDR3 1600 $106.99

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153 Computer Case $59.99

 

[Volumetrik]

1600 RAM is more than enough and the Gigabyte UD3H :
GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H AM3

I you want to play crysis on high smooth, then get a 6970 or a 6950 depending on your budget. You wont be able to play crysis on high with a 6850. With my current rig (sig) high is @ 40~50 fps max

Also, SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSD Get a SSD for the boot drive : Mushkin Enhanced Callisto Deluxe

Mushkin is one of the best SSD companies out there. Their new arrival has the 34 nm nand.

 

[Theocnoob]

Sigh... DO NOT build on AM3. Period.

Same price board, infinitely better CPU (2500K) $40 difference.

Your AM3 board likely would never even hit 2000Mhz RAM because the memory controller is made of pistachios and twigs. Sandybridge it.

 

[Volumetrik]

i smell the signature change

 

[pwnmachine]

Sigh... DO NOT build on AM3. Period.

Same price board, infinitely better CPU (2500K) $40 difference.

Your AM3 board likely would never even hit 2000Mhz RAM because the memory controller is made of pistachios and twigs. Sandybridge it.

I see what you mean but for lots of people $40 bucks is a big difference. But really at that point building a computer should be the least of your concerns.

But the extra $40 bucks is DEFINITELY worth it.

 

[Moneyless]

Sigh... DO NOT build on AM3. Period.

Same price board, infinitely better CPU (2500K) $40 difference.

Your AM3 board likely would never even hit 2000Mhz RAM because the memory controller is made of pistachios and twigs. Sandybridge it.

I'd say go Sandy Bridge as well, TBH. Better performance for the same amount of money or less (And they overclock real well).

You'd be fine with DDR3 1600, and like Volumetrik said, get an SSD for your OS drive and most used programs/most played games.

 

[scottybobo]

Mmmm, I see. Well if I switch to sandybridge, whats a good motherboard to compliment intel? Around the same price as the ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 ($159.99 Canadian)

Hows this? http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produc...5076&cm_re=sandybridge-_-19-115-076-_-Product

 

[scottybobo]

Hows this:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130574 MOBO

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115073 Sandybridge 2500k

Should I switch the XFX PSU for the 750W corsair?

 

[DR DEUCE]

theocnoob's siggy says it all. sandybridge it. and yes switch the psu for a corsair 750HX

 

[Paratrooper1n0]

I would go with two HDD's and put them into a RAID 1 configuration increasing reliability and less chance of losing data.
Also go with Windows 7 Professional at least. That way you can run XP mode for games that refuse to play properly on Windows 7.

 

[Theocnoob]

Mmmm, I see. Well if I switch to sandybridge, whats a good motherboard to compliment intel? Around the same price as the ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 ($159.99 Canadian)

Hows this? http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produc...5076&cm_re=sandybridge-_-19-115-076-_-Product

You want a CPU to connect your other CPU to?

You need a CPU with a K and a board with the P67 chipset. No CPUs without a K and no H67.

2500K and 2600K are your only current choices. Bout 240/340$

The best revision B3 (there was a chipset issue with sandybridge. Now fixed.) motherboard on the egg atm is the MSi GD65 which is right in your price range anyways. Has gotten good reviews.

 

[Theocnoob]

I see what you mean but for lots of people $40 bucks is a big difference. But really at that point building a computer should be the least of your concerns.

Exactly

Along those same lines, I see no point in AMD and Intel even releasing things like the i3 and the Athlon X2. What's the point? A smarter consumer would grab a Q6600 for the price of a sandwich and match or out do them. Why not just let yesterday's Ferrari be tommorow's Ford Pinto? (Lower profits, obviously... but I mean, in a perfect world.)

 

[scottybobo]

You want a CPU to connect your other CPU to?

You need a CPU with a K and a board with the P67 chipset. No CPUs without a K and no H67.

2500K and 2600K are your only current choices. Bout 240/340$

The best revision B3 (there was a chipset issue with sandybridge. Now fixed.) motherboard on the egg atm is the MSi GD65 which is right in your price range anyways. Has gotten good reviews.

Huh? No no no, i mean getting rid of the AMD CPU and get a sandybridge 2500k instead, however I have no idea what a good mobo is for the sandybridge, I heard there is only a few to choose from.

I think ill wait a couple months for the new AMD products see how they perform.

 

[Theocnoob]

You posted a link to an inferior Sandybridge CPU.

There's something better in 4 months. Then in another 7 there's something better. Etc.

Bulldozer > Sandybridge. Ivybridge > Bulldozer. In theory.

 

[scottybobo]

You posted a link to an inferior Sandybridge CPU.

There's something better in 4 months. Then in another 7 there's something better. Etc.

Bulldozer > Sandybridge. Ivybridge > Bulldozer. In theory.

Ya i know I just want to get a good deal, something that can last into the future for more than a year. Mostly a comp for the new Star Wars Old Republic coming out sometime in spring/summer this year. It shouldnt be too extensive for requirements but I also want to play BFBC3 when it comes out at least on medium preferably high settings.

The $214.99 Sandybridge 2500k is what I posted second. The first CPU I posted was the lower version if thats what you where saying. Well I looked at the benchmarks and it outperformed the AMD 6 core 1055 for $179.99 but not by much.

 

[Volumetrik]

Slightly better ?

Also, the SB is the newer technology, so technically, you won't get outdated AS fast as, lets say, the phenoms, witch have been around quite a while now.

 

[Theocnoob]

Well I looked at the benchmarks and it outperformed the AMD 6 core 1055 for $179.99 but not by much.

You looked at the one benchmark that was performed by a highly stressed monkey in a cubicle suffering from glaucoma.

2500K beats pretty much every single previous i7/i5/i3/Core2 intel CPU and every single AMD cpu at stock settings. 2600K performs comparably, and often times, BETTER than the six core Gulftown CPUs which are also 32nm and run on the 1366 platform. Considering they cost twice (or thrice) as much, that's pretty good.

EVEN if the 2500K and 1100T were identical performers, which is as far from the reality as it gets, you should still get an 1155 system because it is a brand new standard whereas AM3 isn't really getting anything new or exciting in the future. She's all finished. With 1155 you can look forward to new six core CPUs in the future, etc. If you're not in a rush though, make sure you read up on Bulldozer because just on paper, it looks significantly better. Sometimes that doesn't end up being reality, but look at what happened with SB- in December everyone was saying "Meh" and in January "Meh" became "Wow, really?". Bulldozer might be way better than SB when it comes out. IF you are not in any rush you may want to wait. Even if you still built on SB, it'd be cheapter.

 

[scottybobo]

You looked at the one benchmark that was performed by a highly stressed monkey in a cubicle suffering from glaucoma.

2500K beats pretty much every single previous i7/i5/i3/Core2 intel CPU and every single AMD cpu at stock settings. 2600K performs comparably, and often times, BETTER than the six core Gulftown CPUs which are also 32nm and run on the 1366 platform. Considering they cost twice (or thrice) as much, that's pretty good.

EVEN if the 2500K and 1100T were identical performers, which is as far from the reality as it gets, you should still get an 1155 system because it is a brand new standard whereas AM3 isn't really getting anything new or exciting in the future. She's all finished. With 1155 you can look forward to new six core CPUs in the future, etc. If you're not in a rush though, make sure you read up on Bulldozer because just on paper, it looks significantly better. Sometimes that doesn't end up being reality, but look at what happened with SB- in December everyone was saying "Meh" and in January "Meh" became "Wow, really?". Bulldozer might be way better than SB when it comes out. IF you are not in any rush you may want to wait. Even if you still built on SB, it'd be cheapter.

Ya thats what I was thinking, as long as the Bulldozers are not $1000 or more it will definitely be worth it. So far it looks like they may be on par with the Intel Core i7 980X Gulftown.

The sandybridges are fast but im not to sure on the graphics end, the mobo's for the 1155 don't look to impressive either. Hopefully intel gets some new releases for the 1155's.

 

[Theocnoob]

Ya thats what I was thinking, as long as the Bulldozers are not $1000 or more it will definitely be worth it. So far it looks like they may be on par with the Intel Core i7 980X Gulftown.

The sandybridges are fast but im not to sure on the graphics end, the mobo's for the 1155 don't look to impressive either. Hopefully intel gets some new releases for the 1155's.

The 1155 mobos are some of the nicest mobos ever. Just not the B3 crapp that's out so FAR. When the Giga line comes back out full force, check that stuff out. Build quality A+++.

Graphics wise...? I don't understand the concern. It's a known fact that Sandybridge (w/HT) beats Bloomfield (w/HT) by 20%>> in Starcraft II.

For the simple reason that AMD cpus just aren't expensive on the consumer end, no, BD will not cost $1000. I'd guess somewhere in the $350-400 range launch for the six core and 200-300 launch for the four core. Extreme/black editions of either may knock an extra 25 on to that.

I think AMD learned it's lesson with it's high FX series prices sevenish years ago. It stomped a Pentium 4 dead, but it was expensive, and that turned people off.

High price= low sales. How many people here have a gulftown core CPU? How many want one? If it were $350 every single person on here with a 1366 board would have that core.