Friends build

[Austin3334]

Helping a friend build a new rig.
I dont know too much about 1366 boards but is the asus p6Td good? (any suggestions on another board around this price would fine).
Dual 5870s little unnecessary but whatever.
Corsair 850
Megahelems cooler paired with ac mx2 and dual Scythe fans for p&p
and a 930 or 920

 

[Austin3334]

UPDATE, changed mobo to evga e758

 

[[Mudd]]

get 930 http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name...ocessor-i7-930-2-80GHz-8MB-LGA1366-CPU-Retail with combo GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R with a $25 off code!!

dont buy those 5870s yet wait till after end of this month cuz the new nvidias are coming out,so maybe get that? if not those ati will be cheaper!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233040
and this cooler will do the job and save money

and the smasung f3 1tb is a better hdd and faster

 

[mjw21a]

get 930 http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name...ocessor-i7-930-2-80GHz-8MB-LGA1366-CPU-Retail with combo GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R with a $25 off code!!

dont buy those 5870s yet wait till after end of this month cuz the new nvidias are coming out,so maybe get that? if not those ati will be cheaper!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233040
and this cooler will do the job and save money

and the smasung f3 1tb is a better hdd and faster

He's obviously looking to build now. If you're building now then go with the 5870, remember there's ALWAYS something new coming out. If you keep waiting you never actually end up with a new system.

Agree entirely on the Samsung drive. I've been using Samsung for years and never had a failure yet. Then again, I tend to replace them every 2nd year or so.....

 

[[Mudd]]

He's obviously looking to build now. If you're building now then go with the 5870, remember there's ALWAYS something new coming out. If you keep waiting you never actually end up with a new system.

Agree entirely on the Samsung drive. I've been using Samsung for years and never had a failure yet. Then again, I tend to replace them every 2nd year or so.....

yes but we are only a few weeks away worth waiting..if it were months away id say go for it,but you could use an old vcard for a few weeks..unless you have a money tree in ur yard

 

[Austin3334]

We'll probably head up to micro center and get the cpu.
I've always gone with WD but il look into the Samsung

 

[lxlqlxl]

Just casually looking over the parts.. I'd personally suggest an SSD X-25 or OCZ 32GB min. The 1TB drive you have listed will probably get around 100MB/s or so. Wtih the SSD's its possible 200+. I don't have any personal knowledge I can give you on SSD's as I am a little too poor to get one of those right now but from my understanding of computers that spindle drive will be one of your bottlenecks.

Also the 5870 in my opinion is a little overboard. But hey it isn't my system the 1200 case is pretty nice If I was going to completely build a brand new system ground up I'd defiantly choose the 800 / 1200 This is the case I have right now which is pretty stout http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/product.aspx?c=1309&ID=1412 The only downfall being on that case is the rad piping is 1/4" but the pump and everything else is 3/8" So you don't really get the benefit of 3/8" With a Pentium D 940 my temps are around 86 F with system at 89 F at idle right now. Playing games it gets up to around 110 F.

One other suggestion I would quickly make if you can it would be a great help is to link to the individual components.

Also for the memory. Since you have 6 slots and it being triple channel. Correct me if I am wrong any one but wouldn't it be better to fill all the slots? like instead of 3x2gb get 6x1gb? like 2 sets of these?http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104121 If price is of concern which with the added 5870 it doesn't appear to be it is then I'd suggest 2x of http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104115

One other thing I am sure this will be an I7 but which one?

But defiantly if this guy has this much to lay down on a system and wants good performance. SSD!!!!!!! Can't put enough ! seriously from everything I have read about them. I desperately want one.

I'd suggest this one at min. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220455

This one if you want to spend a little more. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167013 it being slc it should last a little longer than mlc but the price... ouch.

And finally this one. If I was rich. I'd have one or 2 of these *drools.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227499

Performance
Sequential Access - Read up to 870MB/s
Sequential Access - Write up to 780MB/s

Just imagine.. With that I can say with almost certainty that the HDD would either no longer be a bottleneck or defiantly not as big as one.

 

[lxlqlxl]

get 930 http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name...ocessor-i7-930-2-80GHz-8MB-LGA1366-CPU-Retail with combo GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R with a $25 off code!!

dont buy those 5870s yet wait till after end of this month cuz the new nvidias are coming out,so maybe get that? if not those ati will be cheaper!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233040
and this cooler will do the job and save money

and the smasung f3 1tb is a better hdd and faster

I have a samsung 750 and 1.5TB drive The 750 gets decent speeds The 1.5 even at low rpm gets decent speeds but they can't match up to a decent SSD. Money tree or not.. SSD in that system would be sweet.

 

[muddocktor]

And I'll repectfully disagree on Mudd's heatsink choice. The Megahalems Rev. B is a great cooling choice for high end cooling and is a known quantity here as myself and many others have tested them out and found them to be uniformly good. The Xigmatech you linked might or might not be decent, but there is no evidence of it's performance I've seen by other users here on these forums. And while it's not much cheaper, Jab-tech has the Megahalems around $5.00 cheaper than the store you quoted above. For fans, I wouldn't recommend those Ultra Kaze 3000's as they will be pretty damn noisy. The noisiest (and highest cfm) fan that's readily available I would recommend would be a Panaflo H1BX. If you don't paying for quality fans that will outlive a couple of computers, Newark sells the Sanyo San Ace 9G1212H101 fans, which are rated at 99 cfm with 39 dB noise at 2600 rpm. They come bare wire, so you have to put your connectors on them also, which can be ordered from Sidewinder Computers or other vendors.

 

[Austin3334]

Just casually looking over the parts.. I'd personally suggest an SSD X-25 or OCZ 32GB min. The 1TB drive you have listed will probably get around 100MB/s or so. Wtih the SSD's its possible 200+. I don't have any personal knowledge I can give you on SSD's as I am a little too poor to get one of those right now but from my understanding of computers that spindle drive will be one of your bottlenecks.

Also the 5870 in my opinion is a little overboard. But hey it isn't my system the 1200 case is pretty nice If I was going to completely build a brand new system ground up I'd defiantly choose the 800 / 1200 This is the case I have right now which is pretty stout http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/product.aspx?c=1309&ID=1412 The only downfall being on that case is the rad piping is 1/4" but the pump and everything else is 3/8" So you don't really get the benefit of 3/8" With a Pentium D 940 my temps are around 86 F with system at 89 F at idle right now. Playing games it gets up to around 110 F.

One other suggestion I would quickly make if you can it would be a great help is to link to the individual components.

Also for the memory. Since you have 6 slots and it being triple channel. Correct me if I am wrong any one but wouldn't it be better to fill all the slots? like instead of 3x2gb get 6x1gb? like 2 sets of these?http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104121 If price is of concern which with the added 5870 it doesn't appear to be it is then I'd suggest 2x of http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104115

One other thing I am sure this will be an I7 but which one?

But defiantly if this guy has this much to lay down on a system and wants good performance. SSD!!!!!!! Can't put enough ! seriously from everything I have read about them. I desperately want one.

I'd suggest this one at min. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220455

This one if you want to spend a little more. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167013 it being slc it should last a little longer than mlc but the price... ouch.

And finally this one. If I was rich. I'd have one or 2 of these *drools.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227499

Performance
Sequential Access - Read up to 870MB/s
Sequential Access - Write up to 780MB/s

Just imagine.. With that I can say with almost certainty that the HDD would either no longer be a bottleneck or defiantly not as big as one.

well hes getting two 5870s, id personally drop one and get a good Intel ssd.

and about the ram, on my 1156 board or any 1156 board its better to only use 2 slots instead of 4 for overclocking so im gonna go ahead and assume its better with 3 instead of filling all 6.

Finally the cpu is gonna be a 930 or 920. micro center has the 920 for $200 and the 930 for $250

 

[Austin3334]

And I'll repectfully disagree on Mudd's heatsink choice. The Megahalems Rev. B is a great cooling choice for high end cooling and is a known quantity here as myself and many others have tested them out and found them to be uniformly good. The Xigmatech you linked might or might not be decent, but there is no evidence of it's performance I've seen by other users here on these forums. And while it's not much cheaper, Jab-tech has the Megahalems around $5.00 cheaper than the store you quoted above. For fans, I wouldn't recommend those Ultra Kaze 3000's as they will be pretty damn noisy. The noisiest (and highest cfm) fan that's readily available I would recommend would be a Panaflo H1BX. If you don't paying for quality fans that will outlive a couple of computers, Newark sells the Sanyo San Ace 9G1212H101 fans, which are rated at 99 cfm with 39 dB noise at 2600 rpm. They come bare wire, so you have to put your connectors on them also, which can be ordered from Sidewinder Computers or other vendors.

Il have to look into that.
Also, since there is gonna be two fans, how would you plug those into the mobo? My cooler has one 4 pin and plugs directly into the cpu header.
Since theres two 3pin/4pin would you splice them together and plug them into the cpu header?

 

[Bobnova]

The 930 is not worth $50 over the 920, the only difference is 1x multi, 133mhz cpu speed.

I would plug one fan into the cpu fan header and the other into one of the chassis fan headers.

 

[jason4207]

For RAM it's definitely better to get 3x2GB. You only need 3 sticks to get the full benefits of tri-channel, and all 6 slots full only puts additional strain on the memory controller which can reduce OC potential.

On the fans you can do some splicing if you want 1 point of control, but it depends on if you have 4-pin or 3-pin fans and how much current the fans draw. Give your exact final specs, and I can recommend something.

On your list I like everything except the fans.

 

[Austin3334]

For RAM it's definitely better to get 3x2GB. You only need 3 sticks to get the full benefits of tri-channel, and all 6 slots full only puts additional strain on the memory controller which can reduce OC potential.

On the fans you can do some splicing if you want 1 point of control, but it depends on if you have 4-pin or 3-pin fans and how much current the fans draw. Give your exact final specs, and I can recommend something.

On your list I like everything except the fans.

What about the motherboard? that asus in the pic or the evga e758

 

[mjw21a]

Don't max out your memory slots. Makes for higher power consumption and a likely lower overall overclock.

If you can afford an SSD then yes its a great option for your boot drive with a hard drive for data. I went with a 64GB SSD for my boot with a slower 5400RPM 1.5TB drive for data.

I believe a 5870 is over the top. A 4770 will play everything you want maxed out with lower power useage.

Once more, I can definitely recommend the Corsair H-50 although you might find the Megahalems to be a better value option. I know it's a bit cheap here than the Corsair here in Australia however I wanted to be able to vent the heat straight out the back of the case.

Either way, looks like you're on to one pretty sweet rig. Congrats dude!

 

[muddocktor]

Il have to look into that.
Also, since there is gonna be two fans, how would you plug those into the mobo? My cooler has one 4 pin and plugs directly into the cpu header.
Since theres two 3pin/4pin would you splice them together and plug them into the cpu header?

Like has already been said, just plug one into the cpu header and plug the other into another header. Both of those fans I mentioned are 3 wire fans, which work just fine off of a mobo header.They don't have PWM function though, if that is important to you.

 

[jason4207]

What about the motherboard? that asus in the pic or the evga e758

Tough call. I'd have to research both boards in more detail before giving you a recommendation.

Traditionally, I've been an Asus man, but ever since eVGA started making Intel chipset boards I've been anxious to give them a try.

I just noticed you have 2 5870's in your list. I'd stick w/ 1 for now, and see how it goes. You can always add another later if you want more power. What size/rez monitor will be used w/ this rig?

 

[Austin3334]

Tough call. I'd have to research both boards in more detail before giving you a recommendation.

Traditionally, I've been an Asus man, but ever since eVGA started making Intel chipset boards I've been anxious to give them a try.

I just noticed you have 2 5870's in your list. I'd stick w/ 1 for now, and see how it goes. You can always add another later if you want more power. What size/rez monitor will be used w/ this rig?

I think hes going to be using his 32in lcd tv, with a max res of 1920x1080 so one card is overkill. If it were me id drop one and pick up an ssd

 

[mjw21a]

I think hes going to be using his 32in lcd tv, with a max res of 1920x1080 so one card is overkill. If it were me id drop one and pick up an ssd

Totally.

 

[PsychonautCHN]

I am the friend who austin is helping, I've decided to add the Intel Mainstream 80gig SSD to the rig after reading the thread. Also, how loud would you guess the setup would be as is with the Ultra Kazes in it (comparable to a jet engine, or like a house fan)?