FEATURED Marathon Season VII October: y-cruncher - Pi-1b

[Johan45]

As with last month, I have decided to pick another benchmark that we are running for the 2018 Team Cup. I will also be re-using the same background. This is a fairly new benchmark and isn't awarded any points at HWBot as of yet but that will likely change in the future. Being new we don't have a lot of info on it yet as to what makes it tick so I thought that running it for the Marathon may help us all.

What: y-cruncher - Pi-1b
Who: any forum member
CPU: any CPU
Cooling: any cooling type
When: Ends: October 31, 12 Midnight EST
Background: Use supplied background
Download :y-cruncher - Pi-1b Rules
Full Competition Rules: Here
I would also like this format used at the top of your post please UserName/CPU/Cooling/ Score

BACKGROUND

Spoiler

AMD

mllrkllr88 / 2990WX / Custom Water / 23.598s
mllrkllr88 / 2990WX / Custom Water / 32.586
Johan45/ TR 1950X/ AIO/ 38.907
Johan45/ TR 1950X/AIO/ 40.876
Johan45/ Ryzen 2700X/ LN2/ 57.934s
LRG5 / 2700X(x370) /Air / 70.16
LRG5 / 2700x(x370) /Air /70.321
(G{in}[AK)TION] / Ryzen 2700x / AIO COOLER / 71.761 Seconds
LRG5 / Ryzen 2700X (x470) /AIO / 71.814
(G{in}[AK)TION] / Ryzen 2700 / AIR COOLER / 72.987 Seconds
Johan45/ Ryzen 2600/ AIO/ 92.036s
mackerel/R5 2600/Air/94.311
Mandrake4565/Fx-8350/H2O/185.311
Kenrou / FX-8370 / Air / 186.131
steveokinevo/FX-8370/AIO/206.5
caddi daddi| amd A-8-6600K| air| 449.847
caddi daddi| amd a8-6600k| air| 466.504

INTEL

mllrkllr88 / i9 7940x / Custom Water / 19.655 Seconds
jiccman1965 / i9 7960x / AIR / 20.098 Seconds
Earthdog/i9 7960X/Custom H20/24.261
Custom90gt / 7920x / AIO / 28.09
(G{in}[AK)TION] / CORE i9 7900x/ AIO COOLER / 30.798
(G{in}[AK)TION] / CORE i9 7900X / AIO COOLER / 31.358 Seconds
mackerel/i7-7800X/chilled water/40.081
Earthdog/9900K/2x120mm CLC/52.001
(G{in}[AK)TION] / CORE i7 8700k / Air COOLER / 58.462
(G{in}[AK)TION] / CORE i7 8700k / AIO COOLER / 58.672*
caddi daddi| 8086K| 59.301
mackerel/E5 2683v3 ES/air/59.623
XRogerX/i7- 6700k/ AIO /87.528
mackerel/2x E5 2650/air/104.606
mackerel/i5-7300HQ/Air/132.650

 

[mackerel]

It does use the highest level of AVX support in your CPU, even AVX-512 for some serious speed. Expect to use AVX offsets to keep the system stable for this. I had spoken to the author of the software previously. The AVX part will eat ram bandwidth but it isn't all the code, all the time. Past testing suggested it also benefits from HT. If you have downloaded this in the past, check back for the latest version as it does get updated with improvements. Depending on the CPU and speed, it can take tens of seconds to minutes, so you will know about instability.

If you have Skylake-X, this is a very good chance to try for the per-core world record on hwbot, or at least get a high ranking. AVX-512 really does give it quite a boost. I hold the hwbot 6-core records currently and would welcome more people to play with.

Yeah, the AVX512 complicates things a lot more.

It destabilizes everyone's overclocks since nobody stress-tests for it.
It's why AMD is getting killed so badly in this benchmark.
It makes Skylake X so fast that the bottleneck is memory bandwidth.
This last reason is why a lot of the reviews show little difference between the 7960X and the 7980XE with little to gain with a CPU overclock. Unless the memory is running at like 4500 MT/s or something, the cores are just gonna be sitting there waiting on memory for much of the computation.

From Mysticial's post at https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...tter-in-2018/?do=findComment&comment=11478416

I'll note that y-cruncher's memory-bandwidth usage is very different from Prime95.

Prime95's is very smooth and steady. So it's either 0% memory-bound or 100% memory-bound.
In y-cruncher, the usage is bursty - so there's more of a distribution. Memory and CPU speeds will always have an effect and neither can completely bottleneck the other even at the extremes like scalar code on one end and AVX512 on the other.

From https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...-smt-scaling/?do=findComment&comment=11528285

 

[EarthDog]

Good info mack.

Question though, at least for hwbot, dont we need to use their version? With that should we all use that version?
EDIT: I think there is a typo at Hwbot for the version.. it says run 0.9.xxx version while the latest is 0.7.xxx. I just ran what it linked to, the latest version.


Ok, this wasn't too straightforward how to run.

1. Once you run the .exe, a small window will pop up. Press any key to continue
2. Option 0 is benchmark Pi (all in RAM), select this option
3. It will ask single or multi-threaded, select 1, multi-threaded
4. we are calculating to 1M places, so option 6.

the benchmark should run...

I am not sure if we are reporting the Total computation time ot start-to-end wall time....

So, here is my result......

Earthdog/i9 7960X/Custom H20/???

 

[MetalRacer]

I think its the total consumption time. But I've never run this one before so I could be wrong.

 

[EarthDog]

There is also a GUI there which seems to simply things a bit, however, I am not seeing it populate with the different runs as I see in HWbot...

I'm thinking the minimum version requirement is for hte GUI (the HWBot submitter file in y-cruncher).

EDIT: TO run the GUI, you need to go to OPTIONS and then RUN BENCHMARK. It will then show up, the options.

 

[Johan45]

JAVA is needed for the GUI to run, it's located in the extracted folder of the benchmark

 

[(G{in}[AK)TION]]

any specific instructions? not sure which settings im supposed to be using in the benchmark section.

 

[EarthDog]

I just posted instructions 10 minutes before your post. That said it needs to be be run like this.............

1. Be sure your system has java installed and HPET enabled (for a valid result the latter must be enabled).
2. Run the HWBOT SUBMITTER .jar file in the y-cruncher extracted folder to bring up the GUI.
3. Once the GUI is up, you need to click on OPTIONS, then RUN BENCHMARK.
4. Once it shows you the list of benchmarks to run, we are running Pi-1b (see the RULES link in the first post).

Here is what a proper screenshot should look like AFAIK (mobo CPUz tab is optional):



Earthdog/i9 7960X/Custom H20/24.261

I think its the total consumption time. But I've never run this one before so I could be wrong.

It is indeed total computation time.

 

[Johan45]

That's just the benchmark section correct? Not the result?

 

[EarthDog]

Updated the image with the result/proper screenshot reqs.

The rainbow text data window is not a requirement, FYI.

 

[Johan45]

Were those first two runs banned because of the timer?

 

[mackerel]

Good point on the software setup. It isn't exactly intuitive. I normally install Java, then run the hwbot GUI/submitter (I think that's the version they mention, not Y-cruncher itself). Run the benchmark through that, hit refresh and it should show up in the list. Prepare CPU-Z then you can screenshot through the GUI. Select the run and screenshot and it should do most of the submission for you.

I hadn't realised the rainbow text wasn't required... did it out of habit.

From the rules it looks like the timer stuff is only needed for Win8/Win10. If you use Win7 I think you're still ok without. Does hwbot send you any warnings if you did a duff submission or do they just silently delete?

I haven't worked out if it makes much difference running as admin or not, or how to change priority when using the GUI. If you look at the rainbow text, it looks like it is trying to set up some kind of special memory access which might help, but doesn't always work.

 

[EarthDog]

Were those first two runs banned because of the timer?

Yes.

Ive updated my latest image with the proper formating to be a score. Ignore the the first one.

 

[(G{in}[AK)TION]]

@EarthDog Didn't see that. After I made my post I saw yours. I should have refreshed.

@Johan Yes. Neat thing about the hwbot tool, go to options and you will find the option to enable/disable HPET. That setting must be enabled since this is a timed benchmark.

(G{in}[AK)TION] / Ryzen 2700 / AIO COOLER / 72.987 Seconds

 

[EarthDog]

That setting must be enabled since this is a timed benchmark.

For your OS, yes (and for W8).

From the rules it looks like the timer stuff is only needed for Win8/Win10.

 

[LRG5]

Clock not working WIN10

 

[EarthDog]

That means it is off when you do not get a return from the first command.

 

[(G{in}[AK)TION]]

try running hwbot as admin? that should allow you to edit the hpet setting in windows.

(G{in}[AK)TION] / CORE i9 7900X / AIO COOLER / 31.358 Seconds



as i was posting this i was thinking it sucked until i saw earthdog had a core i9 7960x not a 7900x. a common mistake on my part.

 

[LRG5]

No Option to start hwbot as admin. " Open" only and once open I get

 

[(G{in}[AK)TION]]

EDIT: shoot your right. its not there either for me. try running hpet the scripts as admin?