Radeon HD 9000 series

[bluezero5]

If marketshare is speaking to us, all its saying is that most people are happy with integrated graphics, and that any argument based on marketshare on the whole, when discussing discrete high end gpus,is a complete and total joke that shouldnt be taken seriously.

Only commenting on this for me.

I think.. sadly it is true. unfortunately for us, the market is 'Dominated' by people with NO IDEA how to use a computer, not to ever mention GPU, so the fact Intel integrated graphics gaining such a grip, to me is no surprise...

I am making up numbers here, but I think our world looks like this:

2% Overclocker (us) 20% gamers (knows GPU too) 78% (the rest, libraries, coffee shops, grandma and grandpa and avg Joe.)

So what we know is indeed priviledged knowledge.. I think we can safely say.. but we aren't the most profitable group for corporations for sure..

will always be 'smaller elite' companies serving us, companies that doesn't have the capability to 'mass produce' for a larger group.
AMD.. probably realized that, and to them, going up that mass market level is what's important, that's why they rather gain console business despite narrow profits.. etc. To them, That recognition is much more than say GTX TITAN beating 7970GE. In fact, I think most of the world doesn't know the name TITAN. hehe.

/end rant.

 

[trueblack]

Yes, it dropped because of their reported earnings for the 2nd quarter and 3Q projections of their profit margin going down. Which is a bit odd considering that they beat Wall Street's projections/forecasts for 2Q...so really the 3Q projection is a lot of the culprit there as they are predicting a 3Q revenue increase of around 20% IIRC. I think the AMD stock was artificially inflated due to people being a bit too excited at the console market (there is squat for profits there I hear). But I digress, I'm an IT professional, not a financial guy.

Yea, I think the price was a little inflated due to the market's excitement on the console deals too, i read from wallstreet journal that the drop in prices was also due to a lack of confidence of future growth, I sure hope that isn't as bad as it sounds...

As far as drivers go. Remember I am a reviewer here for the website. I have reviewed 10's of cards, both AMD and NVIDIA across as many drivers sets. I did not remotely share the same experience you did with going from different driver to different driver even on the same OS. That isn't to say your issue wasn't real, most certainly it is for you. But just saying I did not have those issues in a more convoluted environment even.

Good for you, I was literally pulling my hair out then when I realize it was a driver corruption causing my CoD to act up back then. I however will stand firm on the fact that their customer service is terrible, this is something i won't forget.

I will bet good money says AMD will be able to fix their microstutter issue. They already have made some progress with the 13.4 driver (though not remotely resolved). So we are seeing momentum. There is no reason think otherwise IMO.

Lets have fingers crossed, and I pray you be right, overall my faith is not strong, and many might find it disturbing... nonetheless, I do hope AMD will kick a$$ with their next series of cards.. hopefully it gives everyone more competition..

 

[Xeon_KI]

I am also fine with AMD product and driver removal
Good for me!

 

[hokiealumnus]

I am also fine with AMD product and driver removal
Good for me!

Same.

I've never had a problem with AMD or NVIDIA drivers that many people on both sides of the fence claim to have with the opposite company's respective drivers. I've never have installation/uninstallation problems, outside-of-beta glitches/crashes or anything else. Even the vast majority of beta drivers seem to behave for me.

There have of course been performance issues with certain games/benchmarks on both sides and it seems that's pretty much equaled out between the two.

Frankly, I'm not sure what the people kicking & screaming about either company's drivers are on about.

 

[BlackJack10]

Well guys, look what just hit the market today!

Sure gonna be a kick in the *** towards Nvidia, aye?

In all seriousness, I'm excited for AMDs' new lineup. Naming scheme is a bit odd, but it should work out. And I hope they fix the microstuttering issue, I'd like to save $300 or so by going AMD instead of Nvidia.

 

[trueblack]

Same.

I've never had a problem with AMD or NVIDIA drivers that many people on both sides of the fence claim to have with the opposite company's respective drivers. I've never have installation/uninstallation problems, outside-of-beta glitches/crashes or anything else. Even the vast majority of beta drivers seem to behave for me.

appreciate experience sharing.
for me, wasn't the case, same for my roommate. and many more complaining about.. I do wonder why there's a difference. Is it possible certain manufacturers' AMD card doesn't measure up as well, slight bios error? (I am saying like.. can it be like XFX's fault instead of AMD?) stuff like that, I won't pretend to be a technical guru, but when people I know all have the same probelm, but a group of people 'on the internet' says they never experienced that.. I believe my friends first, cause to me, they are the real ones.

Not saying others are wrong what not.
like I said, maybe there's a patch of bad cards, and it became region specific.

There have of course been performance issues with certain games/benchmarks on both sides and it seems that's pretty much equaled out between the two.

Frankly, I'm not sure what the people kicking & screaming about either company's drivers are on about.

Never anything wrong, nor will I say AMD folks on the internet wrong. I always try to say, 'individual experience may differ' (til someone pisses me off, and I know I get pissed off easily.) It is true, maybe some nvidia folks out there suffer from issues that I never heard of too, I will not discount that.

what however grinds my gears, are people that say stuff like,
"Oh, never happened to me, you wrong derp. oh and your english sucks. ergmagod."
and the village of people thanking those posts. (happened in some many other threads.) To me, that's fanboyism at their finest.

I would like to call everyone's experience valid.

 

[Knufire]

I've had some issues with AMD drivers, but none in the past, say, 3 years.

 

[ivanlabrie]

Xfire is broken, nvidia fanbois make it out to be a super terribad POS...when most people don't need CF for single 1080p monitor.
That's the only problem there is really, and it should be fixed in 8 days.

 

[trueblack]

Xfire is broken, nvidia fanbois make it out to be a super terribad POS...when most people don't need CF for single 1080p monitor.
That's the only problem there is really, and it should be fixed in 8 days.

They did say July, for now I will believe them until it is not true.
I want AMD to be fixed too, I frankly enjoyed the duality of these GPU companies, they need one another.

AMD share prices are worrying.
since I posted, it dropped 13% Friday, 3% Monday, and 6% yesterday..
I wonder what's up.. but again, I am no finance major, maybe this is normal.

 

[ivanlabrie]

Maybe they go back up like crazy...you know how these guys like to buy cheap.
'Yeah, sell now, I can buy back lower mwahaha'
It's all a game, like a giant casino that screws people over, and gets people fired and whatnot...gotta love our current system.

 

[trueblack]

Maybe they go back up like crazy...you know how these guys like to buy cheap.
'Yeah, sell now, I can buy back lower mwahaha'
It's all a game, like a giant casino that screws people over, and gets people fired and whatnot...gotta love our current system.

yeah, I think I heard that before too...

maybe some large sharks are trying to push down the company price, so they can buy in cheaper. or something cynical like that.

 

[Knufire]

yeah, I think I heard that before too...

maybe some large sharks are trying to push down the company price, so they can buy in cheaper. or something cynical like that.

Nah, AMD is just not a profitable company.

Look at the price difference of the 7970 at launch and now. They stay competitive by cutting prices, which hurts them financially in the long run.

 

[bluezero5]

Nah, AMD is just not a profitable company.

Look at the price difference of the 7970 at launch and now. They stay competitive by cutting prices, which hurts them financially in the long run.

sadly I simply agree with Knufire, and I got my CFA tens of years ago..
I posted this as a separate post long long ago too.

In the simpliest terms, AMD is just not profitable. and the drop in price tells you people are 'not yet' pricing-in a turn around either, the reason it dropped, is mostly because the 2nd Quarter results doesn't show signs of any quick recovery. and as some other mentioned, the price was artificially bid higher previously as the market got too carried away with all the console deals. But a glance at the balance sheet, and investors flee... simple as that.

 

[manu2b]

I am sure that with the new xbox and PS, AMD profitability will highly increase.

Heck! They provide both CPU's and GPU's for consoles that will sell what,150 millions units in total?

Not talking about the marketing around it, which will make for sure AMD a bankable brand again.

 

[EarthDog]

Yeah but, NVIDIA backed out of trying to land this contract because the profits are quite low on such an endeavor.

We will see what 4Q and 1Q 14' predictions have to say though.

 

[bluezero5]

ED is correct here.. the console deal is now quite well known for having a very narrow in profit margin..

and according to my news sources, it is INTEL's announcement of mid-range chips and eyeing into mobile market that got people worried the most.. you can read it under CNN's stock page's selection.

http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=AMD

 

[Knufire]

Yeah, I don't know if it true for current generation stuff, but I remember reading something about companies taking a loss on the actual console itself and making the money back through game licensing fees or such.

 

[bluezero5]

Yeah, I don't know if it true for current generation stuff, but I remember reading something about companies taking a loss on the actual console itself and making the money back through game licensing fees or such.

I read that too. I believe it was Ps3.
it was the one with the first bluRay ROM, that's how I remembered it.

 

[Robert17]

Any discussion about the major card makers that turns to who's profitable, has the lead technology, has X market share, or “used to.....xxx...” is a no win conversation. As we all post there are changes taking place in the market for reasons we may or may not agree with, understand, or have any awareness.


A couple of decades ago graphics were integrated onto MB's and there were not much in the way of choices to upgrade to. There are many members here (and elsewhere) that remember getting a 4Mb graphics card and were thrilled at the extra horse power (I think I've got one on my bench now in fact). Now the pendulum has swung round again and integrated SOC's and APU's negate much necessity for discrete graphics cards, at least not by mainstream consumers.


If anyone hasn't already noticed muscle car manufacturers are re-introducing a few models with some decent performance again, pulling out the old playbook and looking for buyers that can provide them some extra margin on their products. I doubt that the 600HP Mustang sells many units compared to the Fusion, but I can guarantee that Ford wouldn't have even considered it if they didn't feel that there was a) an under-served and waiting market, and b) money to be made.


Same thing will transpire with graphics cards, one way or another.

 

[Ivy]

AMDs major gain of the console deal isnt the profit margin, thats a standart US mentality and thats why the market is in such a mess. I do feel sorry for all those money hunters. Anyway, AMDs major gain will be the game support, they can now start to get more close to devs and technology. Prehaps we can finally break free of proprietary solutions even and with some hard work start to create a new GPGPU age able to hit gamers too. The future will be interesting and amongst all the money greed, the stuff considered equally important to AMD is to have proper support for theyr causes/concerns and that sort of advantage may be granted now.

Intel will be attacking both, AMD and Nvidia in the GPU market, at least low to mid range in the not to far future. Because Intel, such as most companys, is a money digger and theyr CPU is already unable to be beaten. So whats ulitmately left is to destroy and dominate the mainstream graphic market, in order to make theyr CPUs even more popular but inside a integrated shape and not discrete. Discrete stuff isnt truly the cash cow anymore and to much competition so Intel wont interfere. Intel simply is trying to make theyr CPU and IGP shine better than anything else so they can dominate the entire mainstream market for almost any CPU and GPU solutions (80% wont need a discrete GPU anymore). So, many investors are very insecure how much more impact Intel is able to create, because its a pretty powerful company.

However, i could care less, im almost certain that AMDs stuff may work out at some point and they will find theyr market. More important than the ellbow cash cow fight, is the hard truth and the gain we are getting for the overall advancement of our gaming software (and hardware). I think AMD is able to contribute a lot and Nvidia too, while Intel is not truly a gamers future dream but more of a grave digger i feel. Because they attack possible advancement by either delaying own possibilitys (because it will grant more bucks) and/or attacking a possible force and finally weakening them.