What if you use table within frames...........oh nelly............this is how new web pages get started...........If your creative and you just sit down and do it you will your style. every web developer/desinger had their own style just like every programmer does.........you will most likely start over several of time and eventualy you find your niche........try them all frames, tables, heck why not try a pure flash page.........how about DHTML..........shoot what do you got to loose except some hair....(running a little short myself)