Water Wetter or other mixtures?

[VashTheStampede]

http://www.pro-blend.com/tech4032.html

Not sure if that is the stuff or not, found it at another site for like $12 I think.

~RT~

 

[Monaco]

Right on, rockstar, I see what you are saying. I suppose my system is a bit atypical- I use an huge open reservoir and no radiatior, and I am constantly fiddling with the water. Almost daily I replace it, by always siphoning off hot water and adding ice. I love to mess with it, and I sort of assume everyone else is like me. If you are trying to run a closed, never-needs-adjustment type of system, some prevention from growth sure can't hurt.
So go for it!

I don't know about a 24 hour test between adjustments, tho- I've never had anything that even seemed like it was even thinking about a leak; maybe I've just been lucky so far but I trust my equipment. My only worry is condensation from the ice

 

[r0ckstarbob]

http://www.pro-blend.com/tech4032.html

Not sure if that is the stuff or not, found it at another site for like $12 I think.

~RT~

hm. this stuff sounds great. anyone try it in their watercooled setup yet to see what the effect is?

i'm on the hunt for the MSDS form on this stuff and or anything other then the promotional advertisement junk on why it seems to work so well. it's got some pretty fantastic claims. i need to see some numbers to back it up

 

[VashTheStampede]

hm. this stuff sounds great. anyone try it in their watercooled setup yet to see what the effect is?

i'm on the hunt for the MSDS form on this stuff and or anything other then the promotional advertisement junk on why it seems to work so well. it's got some pretty fantastic claims. i need to see some numbers to back it up

Never thought to look up the MSDS for it. Your right, couldn't find Lubrication Dynamics, the manufacturer, anywhere on MSDS. I've put in a request for the 40 Below MSDS.

~RT~

 

[r0ckstarbob]

cool beans. me too.

funny thing. either this stuff is brand new and nobodys had a chance to run it yet, i'm using the wrong terminology in my searches, or this is snake oil. i can't find any data sheets, no numbers, and the only reviews i've found is the ONE review they have on their website. although there are a few testimonials there is remarkably little comment on this product as far as i can tell, though there seems to be plenty of promotion about it.

i dunno. lets see what comes back from these guys in the way of a msds or something similar if possible. would love to see some of the science behind this miracle. would also help so we could determine if this product only works in very hot environments or if it will work for our purposes as well.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Though Lubrications Dynamics is (C) 1998 and with all the products they have out, they should of had at least one MSDS form.

That's the only thing that really worries me. I go back to work later today, I'll see if they have an MSDS on file, though they don't carry the stuff in store.

~RT~

 

[r0ckstarbob]

rock on crouton. keep us posted. stuffs good to know.

 

[Robbie]

I don't have a water cooled system yet but, I changed the coolent out in my motor cycle the other day cuz I found out that if I use AUTOMOTIVE coolent in it, it would eat away at the aluminum. SOOO I got some motorcycle coolent cuz that stuff is designed not to eat away aluminum.

Hope this helps

Rob

 

[r0ckstarbob]

Hi r0ckstarbob,
#1: 40 Below is not an anti-freeze. It is a chemical compound that enhances
cooling.
#2: The MSDS tells you nothing about the content.
#3: Try it....it's only $25 and I'll give you a further discount to $20.

Skip Higginbotham
Lubrication Dynamics



At 02:27 AM 9/28/01 -0700, you wrote:
>pro-blend 40-below antifreeze treatment
>
>i am supercooling my computer to subzero temperatures and need a
>coolant with good heat transfer properties, a low viscocity, and a
>freezing point of somewhere below -30F.
>
>will your product hack it?
>
>please send AT LEAST an MSDS Form on this and if you can - some
>sort of explination on how this miracle juice seems to do its stuff.
>even some testing benchmarks would be incredibly helpful. i can't
>find any facts or any science behind what you're doing, just infrequent
>and sporadic commentary and alot of advertisements. i'm
>supercooling a computer, i can't afford to use your product just
>because folks say it works. i already know what it's suppose to do. i
>can read the ads. why is it doing it? whats the process. will it work
>for my applications? what if i cut it with Methanol? What if i cut it
>with Hydrogen Peroxide? what if i cut the water with Methanol and
>use that with your antifreeze additive? why should i consider using
>your product instead of waterwetter or purple ice? what is it made of?
>is it lethal or toxic? will it react poorly with copper? how about copper
>and aluminum in the same coolant line? i would love to use your
>product and write a review about it, but theres no way i'm even going
>to be able to consider using it until i know whats in it and the principle
>behind it's process. i'm not looking for trade secrets mind you but i do
>need to know whats happening, why it's happening, how it applies to
>what we're doing here at LHI, and how it measures up next to it's
>competitors and against conventional methods of antifreeze/water
>mixtures.
>
>thanks in advance for whatever technical data you're able to provide
>me with. it's incredibly helpful.
>
>r0ckstarbob
>LanguageHammer Graphic Industries Intl.
>

Hi r0ckstarbob,

#1: 40 Below is not an anti-freeze. It is a chemical compound that enhances
cooling.
#2: The MSDS tells you nothing about the content.
#3: Try it....it's only $25 and I'll give you a further discount to $20.

Skip Higginbotham
Lubrication Dynamics

 

[r0ckstarbob]

how come he didn't answer any of my questions?

-
Thanks Skip

I certainly appreciate the offer for that $20 discount
and will probably take you up on it - but my
concerns are not financial. they are safety
questions and they are engineering questions. i
really need to know these things so i can continue
with my research and IF i'm going to use your
product like i would like to be able to, i need to
know why your product is doing what it's doing. I
need the MSDS to insure my kids aren't going to die
of cancer from it, or i don't accidentally explode it,
or put it in the wrong container, or pour it over my
bake potato thinking it's gravy. Could you please
send me a detailed MSDS on this product as i
believe you're required to provide one by law
anyhow? i have to have those references and facts
so when other people research the things that I'M
doing, they will be able to see why i came to the
conclusions i did. it's also going to help me if and
when i need to troubleshoot this design and
increase the performance. customer testimonial will
not be enough. i need some facts.

i know it's a chemical process that supposedly
increases the heat transfer properties. that
doesn't tell me anything. i make coffee every
morning. thats a chemical process too. chemical
processes are everywhere and aren't in themselves
responsible for changing the heat transfer
properties of water necessarily. I need to know
why your product is working the way it allegedly
works.

RedLines Water Wetter works by breaking up the
surface tention. i understand your product doesn't
work that way. HOW DOES IT WORK? i don't need
to know the exact step by step chemical process of
whats happening but i do need a pretty good idea
of the principle behind whats suppose to happen
when i dump this stuff into my coolant. my coolant
sits IDLY at -30F in the reservoir, and my VERY VERY
VERY expensive computer is absolutely DEPENDENT
on that coolant to remain at operating
temperatures. it is critical that i know what is
happening and what to expect. unlike your
standard automobile, i have no room for error.
none - i work with some very extreme
temperatures (as low as -100F). i need the science
behind your product so i can predict its efficiency in
environments that you in your testing, never
considered even possible or reasonable. i need to
know what to expect of it's behavior so i can
compensate and troubleshoot when necessary.
i'm very excited about the possiblity of using your
product. i just need some specifics.

thanks again

r0ckstarbob
LanguageHammer Graphic Industries Intl.

 

[VashTheStampede]

LOL, I found out nearly nothing today. Actually called MSDS' 1-800 number, they actually had the company listed, but DuraLube was listed under them, no mention of Pro-Blend anywhere in their database according to the woman on the phone. Said they needed a product number before they could go any further, and she gave me a tracking number as well.

~RT~

 

[MeJa]

Here's a pretty cool recipe using water wetter, destilled water and coolant
I'll be giving it a try as soon as i ahve my system up and running
http://www.overclockwatercool.com/coolant.html

 

[r0ckstarbob]

LOL, I found out nearly nothing today. Actually called MSDS' 1-800 number, they actually had the company listed, but DuraLube was listed under them, no mention of Pro-Blend anywhere in their database according to the woman on the phone. Said they needed a product number before they could go any further, and she gave me a tracking number as well.

~RT~

strange huh? between that and the fact that this guy tried to give me the run around when i asked him for it... how come i think it's just some guy named Fred in the middle of Kansas who just cooked this stuff up on accident, doesn't exactly know what it is or why it works, but knows it does, didn't go through any of the legalities, and spends all day long in the shed out back tending to his distillery and cranking this stuff out.

i gots a feelin there is no MSDS for this thing.

at any rate, here is the product number for it

4032

http://performanceunlimited.com/sales/oiladditives.html

on a personal note: you know the more i email and the more i look back at my posts, the more i'm getting the feeling that in an effort to avoid confusion and speak clearly and conscisely, i instead come off as something of a jerk or "in your face". which is strange seeing as i'm really not. but even looking back at my last email i sent poor skip... i could see where someone might get the impression that i was. hmmm. this makes me think about my other posts now. how crappy.