Ok for myself I might be going with watercooling, but for the others who I build pc's for they just dont want to deal with it, but currently other than wcin I haven't been able to find a good and quiet solution. All the hsf ive seen and tried all seem to be loud. I would be cooling an Amd Athlon Xp 1900+ not oced. I need a hsf that is quiet (so it could be ran while actualy being able to talk in the same room ) and one that cools the cpu good too. Thanks! and I hope ya all can help me on this one.