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Ive been looking around and found some gf4mx cards that have agp 8x. Why on earth would they do that with an mx, but not with a ti?
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why do they make gf4mx cards with agp8x but not ti cards?
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they are on the way. look at xbit labs or go to albatrons web site they already have 2 ti 4280 cards. I'm gonna wait for the turbo ti 4280.
www.evga.com has the Ti4200 in AGP8x too.
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it doesnt really matter, its all marketing....AGP 4X and 8X are virtually the same on Geforce4s both Tis and MXs.....heck ive seen no difference between 1X AGP and 4X on my 8500
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The TI 4200 cards are available as 8x versions such as the albatron offerings mentioned above .
Why is an interesting question . I suspect Nvidia has seen the light ,that the 4200 is the the smartest Nvidia purchase at present and for christmas . The Ti 4600 will just not deliver the bang for the buck as ATI's 9500 pro will likely cost around the same price with better performance and a better feature set . The 4400 was almost always useless as most 4200s reach their performance level without modding . In fact Nvidia has scrapped making them ! Also most serious gamers don't have $$ for a ti 4600 or a 9700 pro anyway and more will buy 4200 cards and mx cards ( those who don't know better ( mx ) ) . So it at least shows that Nvidia sees that it is the best place to add the 8x feature .Why it is also important as a speculative point is that it reveals that Nvidia has given up on this current product cycle . They realise that the previously rumoured TI 4800 ( faster 4600 with 8x ) wouldn't in any significant way dent the ATI performance gap . Thus it appears they won't waste the time or $$ retooling , redeveloping or remarketing the 4600 at this time .
IMHO 8x is curretly a gimmick as there is nothing that currently needs 8x . It is a cool feature for the future but to pair it with a card that isn't future proof ( the mx line ) is useless . When games that require/benefit from 8x appear the mx line will likely be too obsolete to play them properly anyway . Whereas a 9700 pro or an TI 4xxx will likely still be decent or adequate cards when this happens .
Again the reason it has been offered is to have a 8x lowend card to help sway the unsuspecting masses into buying a directx 7 card on the virge of directx 9 . Many more ppl buy these sort of cards than those who get 4600s and 9700 Pros . So it is a smart buisness decision although it's silly technically .
Why is an interesting question . I suspect Nvidia has seen the light ,that the 4200 is the the smartest Nvidia purchase at present and for christmas . The Ti 4600 will just not deliver the bang for the buck as ATI's 9500 pro will likely cost around the same price with better performance and a better feature set . The 4400 was almost always useless as most 4200s reach their performance level without modding . In fact Nvidia has scrapped making them ! Also most serious gamers don't have $$ for a ti 4600 or a 9700 pro anyway and more will buy 4200 cards and mx cards ( those who don't know better ( mx ) ) . So it at least shows that Nvidia sees that it is the best place to add the 8x feature .Why it is also important as a speculative point is that it reveals that Nvidia has given up on this current product cycle . They realise that the previously rumoured TI 4800 ( faster 4600 with 8x ) wouldn't in any significant way dent the ATI performance gap . Thus it appears they won't waste the time or $$ retooling , redeveloping or remarketing the 4600 at this time .
IMHO 8x is curretly a gimmick as there is nothing that currently needs 8x . It is a cool feature for the future but to pair it with a card that isn't future proof ( the mx line ) is useless . When games that require/benefit from 8x appear the mx line will likely be too obsolete to play them properly anyway . Whereas a 9700 pro or an TI 4xxx will likely still be decent or adequate cards when this happens .
Again the reason it has been offered is to have a 8x lowend card to help sway the unsuspecting masses into buying a directx 7 card on the virge of directx 9 . Many more ppl buy these sort of cards than those who get 4600s and 9700 Pros . So it is a smart buisness decision although it's silly technically .
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Just a matter of when
Since AGP 8X doesn't really matter nobody is going to throw away inventories of already produced Ti chips that are 4X. Anything newly produced wil be capable of 8X, but it simply doesn't matter. Take a new 8X capable Ti4200 and reduce the transfer rate to 4X and you will find essentially no difference in performance. Don't buy the hype.
Since AGP 8X doesn't really matter nobody is going to throw away inventories of already produced Ti chips that are 4X. Anything newly produced wil be capable of 8X, but it simply doesn't matter. Take a new 8X capable Ti4200 and reduce the transfer rate to 4X and you will find essentially no difference in performance. Don't buy the hype.
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true, my 9000 shows no difference between 2x and 4 x, and im sure 8x doesnt make any diff at all
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Well it appears that an 8x Ti4600 ( 4800 ) is on the cards after all .
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1741&p=4
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.html?i=1741&p=4
