Help || PNY XLR8 RAM OVERCLOCK

[DJtR1pL6ixx]

Hey Guys, I looked around and didn't see a post about this so figured I'd ask!
I just swapped my RAM Out for 32GB PNY XLR8 RAM 3200Mhz Kit.
I'm curiously the best OVERCLOCK for it.
I currently have it on XMP II settings and also manually Tweeked The Timings by -1
(Original = 16-18-18-36)
(Current = 15-17-17-35)
I'm just curious how far I can push it, the company claims "great Overclock potential)
Rather than waste a bunch of time with Trial and Error, figured id just ask the Community.
I would consider myself near-expert overclocker at this point on almost all aspects.
I'll drop my RiG info below, I appreciate any responses and wanna day I appreciate this Community very much!
MY RIG:
i7-12700K
[OC @ PCores 5Ghz All Core||ECores 4Ghz All Core]

Asus Prime-P D4 WiFi Mobo
32GB PNY XLR8 RAM
250ml Liquid AIO + Four 120mm Fans
Aus Tuf 3060Ti OC Model GPU
600Watt 80+ Gold Power Supply
Pretty Decent Rig, I'm Proud of it

 

[Woomack]

Hey,
Please share Thaiphoon Burner screenshots or at least CPU-Z. It's hard to give any advice when we have no idea what IC is in this RAM. I wasn't testing any PNY kit, but I assume there is Hynix or Micron.
I would try to make it like:
1. Set CL18-22-22 1.45V and check how high it will boot with everything else at auto.
2. Set DDR4-3600 and check how low it will go with CL at 1.45V.
Depending on the results you will know if it's worth staying at 3600 or going higher to 4000+. Generally, you want 3600 at Gear1 mode, and above that is optional.

 

[DJtR1pL6ixx]

I'm not very familiar with typhoon burner? What does it do?
Overclocking RAM is kinda new to me still, it's the very last area I've studied on but I'm getting there.
Can you spell out what you recommend I should do?
Also I thought turning the timings DOWN was better?
And do you think I can get it past 3600 or 4000? Possibly? Maybe?
I truly appreciate the help
Photo attached

 

[EarthDog]

Typhoon burner lists all of the details of the memory from the ICs to all the sub timings.

 

[DJtR1pL6ixx]

Understood. I looked it up and I'm looking for tutorials but there is like absolutely nothing for it. Anything on YouTube seems to be from morons that are extremely vague.
If you could possibly just tell me maybe what to do? I can apply it, etc

 

[EarthDog]

Download, Install, Open, CLick Read and enjoy.

It should populate a list of information about the sticks.

 

[DJtR1pL6ixx]

Ok last thing I suppose. I have Typhoon burner open, I'm aware of like B-Die types, Hynix and all that.
But mine says UNDEFINED for manufacture
I wanna Assume it's Hynix Probably.???
I also seen I can use DRAM Calculator even though it's for Ryzen.
I'm just trying to make my timing and all that Tight obviously and get what I can out of my RAM
I mean if someone can explain it to me like I'm a Dumbass I would sincerely appreciate it

 

[EarthDog]

CPUz (another application you DL, install, open) will tell you also. It should be on the SPD tab.

The thing is, trial and error is how it works because all systems are different. At a high level, those sticks should be able to run 3600 with those timings or lower. But you also have 32GB which puts more stress on the IMC than less capacity and fewer sticks. I'd start by putting the system agent voltage to 1.25V, raising whatever the XMP voltage is 0.05V and trying them at 3600 with your current timings.

That said, I am not a memory guy... there are others here who could share some better canned settings than I. Hopefully that will get you started.

 

[DJtR1pL6ixx]

Thank you bro, that is truly alot more helpful
My issue is, the DRAM Calculator is for Ryzen and I'm on Intel obviously.
Also neither CPU-Z Nir Typhoon specify my manufacturing Type.
I'm assuming Hynix MFR hopefully
I will try out your suggestion though, thanks man

 

[EarthDog]

Post a picture of the SPD tab, please. We may be able to get it off the part number if the DRAM Manuf. isn';t there.

 

[DJtR1pL6ixx]

It's all good, I don't really see much point in figuring out the Manufacturer honestly since the calculator is useless for Intel.
I'm just gonna explore till I get a blue screen.
SO FAR THOUGH, I Have Gotten It To:
3333Mhz
15-17-17-35
System Agent: 1.20V
DRAMV: 1.35V

Post magically merged: May 16, 2022

Oh wait wait one last thing
Would it be better to:
Tighten My TIMINGS???
Or
Increase Overall Mhz???
That would be last thing I really need to know

 

[EarthDog]

That depends on the application. Some like higher MHz others like tighter timings. There isn't really a 'best' in that respect.

 

[DJtR1pL6ixx]

Understood, I appreciate it.
Should I mess with Command Rate At All?
I Have it Currently at 2N

 

[Woomack]

I told you in the post #2 what to check for the max clock and lower latency. Check both ways and if you won't be able to set any higher clock then check lower CL at 1.45-1.50V. It's probably Hynix so CL will go down while most other timings not so much. It still should make something like CL16-19-19 or 17-19-19 at ~3600 and maybe 18-20-20 or 18-22-22 at 3800-4000. SA at 1.2V is enough for these clocks. Once you find a stable higher frequency then lower voltages a bit.

In short check these settings:

3600 CL16-19-19 1.40V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
3600 CL16-19-19 1.45V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
3600 CL17-19-19 1.40V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
3733 CL16-19-19 1.45V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
3733 CL17-19-19 1.45V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
3733 CL17-20-20 1.45V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
3733 CL18-20-20 1.40V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
3800 CL17-19-19 1.45V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
3800 CL18-20-20 1.40V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
3800 CL18-21-21 1.45V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
4000 CL19-21-21 1.45V, SA 1.25V, IO 1.15V

All at Gear1 and at first check Command Rate 2T. Most motherboards have problems at Command Rate 1T above 3600, but can check it at the end.

 

[waffle_ninja]

currently the fastest ive ever been able to stable run and zero error memtest my 4000 16gb kit is 4133 ... but i usually run it 3733 with cl 15-18-16-36... i recently just bought the teamgroup xtreem rgb 3600kit because super sale for the 32gb. and it runs 3733 @ CL14. the 4000 kit clocked higher when i ran a 5800x in my b550 aorus master but when i upped to a 5950x it wont even go over 3933 posts but almost instant whea stop code. so its really based on your mobo and luck.. i used https://pokde.net/review/xlr8-gaming-epic-x-rgb-review#overclocking as a basic i repeat basic timing guide i just wanted to see where certain timings were based on the reports on thaiphoon as well. the only thing im happy for is what i used to hate about my b550 aorus master being a dual bios. after 2 fail posts it will automatically swap to the other bios and give you a log output of what caused the no posts which helps when your playing with mem timings and of course reading endless amounds of threads.

 

[DJtR1pL6ixx]

I told you in the post #2 what to check for the max clock and lower latency. Check both ways and if you won't be able to set any higher clock then check lower CL at 1.45-1.50V. It's probably Hynix so CL will go down while most other timings not so much. It still should make something like CL16-19-19 or 17-19-19 at ~3600 and maybe 18-20-20 or 18-22-22 at 3800-4000. SA at 1.2V is enough for these clocks. Once you find a stable higher frequency then lower voltages a bit.

In short check these settings:

3600 CL16-19-19 1.40V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
3600 CL16-19-19 1.45V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
3600 CL17-19-19 1.40V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
3733 CL16-19-19 1.45V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
3733 CL17-19-19 1.45V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
3733 CL17-20-20 1.45V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
3733 CL18-20-20 1.40V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
3800 CL17-19-19 1.45V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
3800 CL18-20-20 1.40V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
3800 CL18-21-21 1.45V, SA 1.20V, IO 1.15V
4000 CL19-21-21 1.45V, SA 1.25V, IO 1.15V

All at Gear1 and at first check Command Rate 2T. Most motherboards have problems at Command Rate 1T above 3600, but can check it at the end.

Thank you bro I really appreciate it
Where do I find the GEAR Setting?
That's the only thing I can't find

 

[Woomack]

It should be on the first overclocking window, near RAM clock and bclk dividers. Automatically it will be Gear 1 up to 3600-3733 and above it can change to Gear 2. I'm not sure how it works on your motherboard. On 12th gen CPUs it runs up to ~4000 at Gear 1. Sometimes one ratio higher but the motherboard will suggest to set it at Gear 2 at a lower clock. You have to play with these settings as it's not guaranteed that everything will work on your motherboard. On ASRock Z690 Extreme, Gear 1 works at 4000 but Command Rate 1 doesn't work at more than 3733. On some other motherboards Command Rate 1 works at 4000 but Gear 1 at max 3866.

 

[DJtR1pL6ixx]

It should be on the first overclocking window, near RAM clock and bclk dividers. Automatically it will be Gear 1 up to 3600-3733 and above it can change to Gear 2. I'm not sure how it works on your motherboard. On 12th gen CPUs it runs up to ~4000 at Gear 1. Sometimes one ratio higher but the motherboard will suggest to set it at Gear 2 at a lower clock. You have to play with these settings as it's not guaranteed that everything will work on your motherboard. On ASRock Z690 Extreme, Gear 1 works at 4000 but Command Rate 1 doesn't work at more than 3733. On some other motherboards Command Rate 1 works at 4000 but Gear 1 at max 3866.

Yeah I tried Gear 1 and it doesn't post. However 1T works so I'm happy about that atleast.
Pretty much seems like it doesn't want me to increase the Mhz at All And I have to keep it at 3200, as after about 30 min. It Blue Screens.
I'm actually impressed with the Timings tho
Stock is 16-18-18-36
so far I've got it down to:
14-16-16-34 and even a couple Secondary Timings down a few notes as well.

 

[Woomack]

If it runs at CL14 but can't go higher with the frequency then you are missing something. Maybe check if you have the latest BIOS or something.

 

[DJtR1pL6ixx]

My bad, that was a Typo.
Its: 15-16-16-34 and a couple secondary timings as well.
Yeah no matter what i do, it wont hit 14 on Cas Latency:/
When Cyber Monday Comes, I'm Gonna Upgrade to 64GB of G Skill - Trident Royal RAM
That stuff seems to be like Cream of The Crop