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That's horrible. Wonder whats going to happen. Imagine this more common to the masses. AMD's opportunity.....
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Intel Skylake CPUs bent and broken by some third-party coolers
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Nothings going to happen. Remember, enthusiasts are about 1% of the market. Most of these CPU's will only see a stock heatsink. There is no opportunity for AMD for anything here except for maybe learning something at Intel's cost.
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Imagine that!
Not gonna happen.
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I guess I'd better start using the springs on my Pot, I usually just forgo them and crank the wingnuts down. 
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Seems to me that if a manufacturer advertises a cooler as Skylake compatible and it exceeds engineering specifications, they'd be on thin ice refusing to cover damage. Even if they have a disclaimer in the fine print they may still be liable. (IANAL but I think those disclaimers are there to convince consumers they cannot sue.)
How would you know if a cooler meets specifications? Is that information usually published?
Most coolers are designed for many sockets. Many have only different backplate or something else just to fit the socket. 1150/1155/1156 and 1151 sockets are using exactly the same mounting kit so I bet that many manufacturers didn't even check if cooler has correct pressure.
If someone damaged CPU then it doesn't mean that it's only cooler's fault. Enthusiast grade components are meant to be used by a bit more advanced users. If you don't know what are you doing then simply give it to some specialist. I understand it's also design flaw on both sides ( Intel and cooler manufactuers ) but really you feel when there is too much pressure and thinking ( usually ) doesn't hurt.
I see that some single issues will cause a lot of noise and will generalize the problem.
If someone damaged CPU then it doesn't mean that it's only cooler's fault. Enthusiast grade components are meant to be used by a bit more advanced users. If you don't know what are you doing then simply give it to some specialist. I understand it's also design flaw on both sides ( Intel and cooler manufactuers ) but really you feel when there is too much pressure and thinking ( usually ) doesn't hurt.
I see that some single issues will cause a lot of noise and will generalize the problem.
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This is the first time I've heard about crushed or bent CPU so this is news to me but have always heard the saying, don't tighten all the way or you'll "crush" the CPU.
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That had always pertained to chips with a bare core such as Socket A or one that was de-lidded.
I've ran into problems with pins getting bent by coolers with too much pressure, this would cause some of the pins in the socket to get pushed down a tad too far and they would lose contact with the pad it was supposed to be touching. I've had to go into the CPU socket before and pull these pins back in place to get the board to start working properly again. Because it more or less relies on the fingers making contact wit these tabs it's a spring-type effect used here BUT we know springs can get weak or even distorted over time.
This may also partially explain burned pads/spots, with each remount of a cooler the pressure is never quite the same, esp if a different cooler or cooling itself is used.
However this is inexcuseable on Intel's part.... They are perfectly aware of this and went with a thinner PCB anyway. I mean what difference would going thinner make, higher clockspeeds due to a lighter chip?
It's called being cheap.
The design for AMD's chips in this way is actually superior because it can tolerate more pressure without hurting anything at all.
The method used with an AMD doesn't rely on downward pressure, the CPU pins themselves once the CPU is in the socket goes between a pair of contacts/fingers, closing the lever pushes the CPU "Foward" in the socket causing the pins to move too, this causes the pins to get pushed and wedged between these contacts/fingers.... At least that's a basic way of describing it. Opening the lever merely moves the CPU and pins "Back", pulling the pins out of this wedged effect.
True the pins on the chip are still vulnerable if not in the socket but at least if one or two gets bent you can probrably fix it without having to buy a whole new chip or in the case of an Intel, a new board. Also means in most cases you won't be "Down" as long over it either, fix it and get back to what you were doing.
We pay far more for these than whats paid for an AMD and it's a sign guys that Intel needs the competition. If AMD goes away this is only the start of what you can expect.
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Intel said that they move to LGA because it let them deliver more power to the CPU. Somehow too high power is causing burned pins/pads. Bad contact the same.
AMD stick to old pin design and somehow they have no issues to release much more power hungry FX chips. No burned pins, problems with contact, pressure etc.
I won't even mention that most memory issues on Intel platforms ( all LGA ) are mainly related to CPU socket issues. Some motherboard manufacturers are replacing sockets without additional questions. Maximum memory frequency in some part also depends from CPU socket quality and there are sometimes really big differences in results.
There were also issues with Foxconn sockets in the past - sockets designed by Intel and manufactured by one of their biggest partners.
Back to the pressure issues from the past. There were issues with too high pressure what was causing mobo PCB to bend too much so it's nothing new that you can damage board or CPU when you put too much pressure mounting cooler.
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Good point about the Mobo being affected too with excessive pressure (warping).
The thing with the CPU's PCB as far as I know is new, I've never heard of a CPU's board getting bent before. Problems with the pins not making good contact are well undertsood, the pins I had to fix in my board were indeed causing RAM slots to not work, which I'm glad I could fix it.
Z77 OC Formula boards don't exactly grow on trees you know, esp ones you got from the wife as a present.
The thing with the CPU's PCB as far as I know is new, I've never heard of a CPU's board getting bent before. Problems with the pins not making good contact are well undertsood, the pins I had to fix in my board were indeed causing RAM slots to not work, which I'm glad I could fix it.
Z77 OC Formula boards don't exactly grow on trees you know, esp ones you got from the wife as a present.
I still need to show my pictures... oops.
Anyway, MSI appears to be coming out with something that will help prevent that from occuring: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/msi-announces-cpu-guard-1151.218355/#post-3386479
We should have some front page news when we are actually allowed to post it (shame on you TPU!!
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Anyway, MSI appears to be coming out with something that will help prevent that from occuring: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/msi-announces-cpu-guard-1151.218355/#post-3386479
We should have some front page news when we are actually allowed to post it (shame on you TPU!!
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