Is Crucial Ballistic PC2-8500 or PC2-6400 da Bomb

[gamefan]

I can definitely get Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500, but maybe not Crucial Ballistix PC2-6400. Was it the PC2-6400 or the PC2-8500 Crucial Ballistix that was da bomb. Could it even be possible the PC2-8500 wouldn`t do what the PC2-6400 does. Running 1:1 with 1333 XX50 with 400 OC`d up a chunk. cas4 I think is true (yes, yes, yes) at this setting with at least one of these. Can you tell me which, or bothÉ The specific IC chips are important, and I don`t think I have those links right here___, telling me what each use(s) or use(d). Ballistix is Micron, don`t know if both are `fatbody`. I`ll be looking. Can ANYBODY answer that, and only that for me in the mean time.


BUYING A NEW RIG:

I am gonna get a C2D 2 core E6750 or E6850 with latest 1333 w/ 333 cpu and put it in a P35 mobo, Asus P5K, or Gb P35-DS3R, or o/?. Both should be able to do a 40% overclock. Settled. 2.6GHz to 3.6GHz, or 3.0 GHz to 4.0GHz, on air, quiet. I'll tune down for low noise/heat: to what, I dunno.

Hundreds of reviews later I have come to a RAM decision, sort of. I decided I don't want to buy a RAM knowing first off it will be the limiting component when I begin to OC. OCZ Platinum XTC Rev.2 PC2-6400 DDR2-800, and other OCZ RAM, is on sale now everywhere for about $58 for a 2x1GB kit, after $40 mail in rebate avail for another week. I asked OCZ forum if it could hit these speeds at 1:1. They said the 400 is ok, just don't expect to oc, and it'll be working hard. If you want to oc, get a PC2-8500, or better, RAM. Why the heck would I want to spend more so I can do the exact same thing, run at 1:1 at 400 (thats a nice little speed boost in itself), just for a few % more total oc.

I said why, its a top end OCZ product, its gotta have a little oc heardroom, why can't it do what I want, becasue it ain't 10x the price? The I thought OCZ are not saints, they put the top end product label on it, but it ain't top end, not like it could be/ has been. Its a ProMos IC. Then I thought about it, it has 3 SPD tables for 266, 333, and 400. The one setting I want, 1:1 at 400 (for any RAM I buy), is the hardest for this product to do. For a higher rated PC2-8500 or better RAM, this would be easier to do. Therefore, it is more likely to have a little headroom. Not to mention, thereoretically easier for better timings, no matter how you look at it. Does this make senseÉ

Then I see the headlines of the day, latest DDR3 2 $800 2GB kit is hitting 1600 at cas7. But the RAM I want for $58 I want to oc above 1600 right outta the box, hopefully cas4. Maybe DDR3 is in its infancy. I hope the RAM I choose CAN do the above with the new 1333cpu I am getting, as I am expecting!!

Reviews with the 1333 XX50 cpus and DDR2 thats been out for a while are hard to come by and I have to walk into a store in Toronto, no mail order. I have determined the Patriot is good PDC22G6400LLK(1st best), Crucial is good TWIN2X2048-6400C4 (2nd best), OCZ is 3rd OCZ2P8002GK. Maybe all do what I want, dunno, that was the intention of this list. There are slightly different model variations, I have just tried to ensure I can get the 400 vs 333, and get it up into the decency level of oc speak. PC2-1000 has slipped my research. And of course I have to deal with the fact that a lot of the reviews which give me this knowledge are reaching 1040, better than 1000 is my minimum goal, sort of in this roundup. What has this got to do with 400/1600, something I have been told a $58 RAM can do, anything. Sorry my question mark key isn`t working.

So Crucial Ballistix never had anything bad said about it, and I think it is above all those others, even though I am not sure if I need better than any or all of those others. It if any could do it all, it would not be limiting. I can get Crucial Ballistix PC2-8500 (BL2KIT12864AA1065) for about 170 dollars (all keys gooning some). And Crucial Ballistix Tracer (BL2KIT12864AL1065) for $177. In case of in-stock situations, is the tracer as good, for meÉ

So, for $58 for RAM, and about $143 for a P5K, and $203 for an E6750 you`re in 2.66GHz*400/333=about 3.2GHz I believe, which ain`t bad.Even save $25 if go for P4K SE without chipset heatpipe, but as OCZ said in their forum, the RAM may be working hard, so I dunno if thats a good idea. P5K with Ballistix is vs SE with Rev.2 $128, more. For what, I dunno exactly. I`m not even sure if 400 at 1:1 is 2.66GHz*400/333=about 3.2GHz, since ?1000 keeps popping into the picture.

 

[JamesXP]

TLDR,



I'd say go with the 6400, It's not fatbody AFAIK.

 

[drotto25]

If you really want the 8500 I found it for $139, and have seen it as low as $129.

 

[SuperDave1685]

first things first.... PLEASE spell check!! That was one heck of a post to understand.

The E6750 has a 8x multiplier, so you are right in figuring 400Mhz FSB x 8 = 3.2Ghz. however, the newer 1333FSB chips have a lot more in them than that. Like in your other post, I'm going to say it again. Save yourself a few dollars and get some PC6400 that has micron D9 chips in it. I'd vouch for my G.Skill PC6400 HZ's. They're doing 500Mhz right now just fine (the same as PC8000...). If I may add a suggestion to your setup... I think you'd be much happier going with an Abit IP35 Pro. Its a little more expensive, but the heatpipe design and heatsinks work well. Whatever you do, Please, Please, Please use active cooling on your RAM if you're going to overclock it!! DDR2 is susceptible once you start pushing more than 2.2v through them, so active cooling is a must!

In summary, get some PC6400 with D9 chips and you won't be disappointed.

 

[gamefan]

The point was to determine if Ballistix 6400 are better than 8500 for running 400 oc`d to say, I dunno. Or just spend $58 and save us all a headache - thanks for the heads up. I can only get the 8500 Ballistix, and I can`t mailorder to Toronto, and I don`t want to make it 300 reviews which tell me I can hit 500 with PC2-8000 RAM , when I want maybe 1800 (running 1:1) with PC2-6400 RAM. No I only get better``É PC2-8500 Ballistix.

I am almost positive both Ballistix 6400s and 8500s use Micron D9XXXXX, XXXXXX being possible, probable, irrelevantÉ.

I don`t have options. I taut I`d get an answer like, man are you dumb, of course Ballistix 8500s are better than or equal to the 6400s. Its the only answer I can accept.

I think the cas4 6400 and cas5 8500 is simply due to that: at 6400, at 8500. Iow the 8500 can do cas4 at 6400. One answer down at a time. Please don`t telll me to spell check that while I`m confirming exact IC codes.

One things for sure: always good things said about these, but is it worth 3x (I have decded to find out).

 

[SuperDave1685]

lol its ok.. I was just pointing out your grammar, nothing more

If all you can get is the 8500, then I guess thats your only option. Have you looked at newegg.com? is there a particular reason you can't mail order to Toronto? Are you talking about shipping? If thats the case, I'm sure someone here could buy the RAM for ya and send it you. We're here to help each other. I'm just offering what probably a lot of other members think as well. Save a few bucks and grab some PC6400. YOu can use the money saved on something else! I'm pretty sure the Ballistix use the D9 chips as well. Can you clarify what you mean by this:

when I want maybe 1800 with PC2-6400 RAM.

-Dave

 

[gamefan]

btw, why the Abit IP35 Pro mobo. Thats another $86. $215-140 (P5K) +tax. Only thing about the P5K so far, assuming I`m lucky enough anyway, is the non INtel ICH9R for SATA RAID0. I sse heatpipe - the P5K hhas a heatpipe, its the P5K SE that doesn`t. Exactly the same minus the heatpipe (save $25). Is that it. I do like the ICH9R.

http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=534&l4=0&model=1637&modelmenu=1

newwgg not to Toronto. Period. Just called them in (almost) person.

1800 (believe me I`d like to know): well the E6750 is the new 1333/333 product, and I`m starting my oc with RAM that works at 400. Thats 1600. (Unless we`re telling me its really 200 FSB. The RAM I am using right now hits 288, I purchased 4 years ago, cas 2.5. I`m cas 2 now, up to 230 I think. Dunno, just got sticks 2*256MB Platinum more. Then 1000 makes sense). ANd a little oc, to say 450 (a 12.5% oc), which I have read one person getting with a xx50, takes us to 1800 (450*4=1800). Almost the $58 OCZ Platinum Rev.2 PC2-6400 RAM does that. If it did 5% I might buy it. According to ocz ocz ram 8500 is much better at 6400 than 6400 is. Just now I`m asking about the Crucial.

Maybe the 2 in PC2 is for 2 processorsÉ sorry bout my kbd. Hell, maybe the 1:1 at 400 is 1:2 or 2:1, I read a comment that was worded something like that and ....``ìn sync``

But I thought the 1000 was due to either using an older 1066/266 or 800/200 (anyone care to comment)cpu or not running the ram 1:1

 

[gamefan]

from crucial.com:
`Ballistix 240-pin DIMMs are available in DDR2 PC2-4200 SDRAM (DDR2 533), DDR2 PC2-5300 SDRAM (DDR2 667), DDR2 PC2-6400 (DDR2 800), and DDR2 PC2-8500 (DDR2 1066).`

.....but since they each have several SPD timing tables....

 

[||Console||]

www.ncix.com is in canada and so is www.memoryexpress.com both have 6400's and will chip to TO

 

[gamefan]

July 2, 2007
Runs over 1100MHz 4-4-4-12 on 2.2v or 1200Mhv at 5-5-5-12. Quotes keys not working.

This must be based on 200, one way or the other (tell me about it). If it is important, it must be based on 1:1. There are tonnes of articles like this. Can`t find any that talk about ocìng up from 400 (from the cpus 333), not to 600 anyway. This talk of 1100 at cas4 and 1200 at cas5 is as fine as its gonna get for any 8500 ram, or 6400 ram, to be more precise. I`m loosing it!!! ANd I ain`t buying expensive ram!

 

[gamefan]

www.ncix.com is in canada and so is www.memoryexpress.com both have 6400's and will chip to TO

Ya but would you turn down 8500 ram in favour of 6400 ram, forget the price. They are both Micron D9 or D9xxxxx. Micron owns Crucial.

 

[||Console||]

www.ncix.com is in canada and so is www.memoryexpress.com both have 6400's and will chip to TO

Ya but would you turn down 8500 ram in favour of 6400 ram, forget the price. They are both Micron D9 or D9xxxxx. Micron owns Crucial.

No if it was me I would be happy with the 8500's , but my 6400's have the same ic's and prob oc the same as your 8500's

 

[gamefan]

http://forum.ncix.com/forums/displaylink.cfm?link=http://ramlist.ath.cx/ddr2/

I wouldn`t know a good Ballistic from a bad one to be honest. I`m in a world of hurt. Heres a chart. I`m goin off a bridge, bye

have never had to change a FSB:RAM ratio before, so I was just assuming that for a 1066 the ratio must be changed (different than 1:1), but you want 1:1, which is the same, so you're back to the same problem again, and running out of product series to choose from, for the OCZ Platnum XTV Rev.2 example.

Is there such a thing as a 333std.>400tied to ram>500oc'd/2000 RAM? That would be 1:1 I guess, because 1333/4 =333, you get 333. I guess the 1:1 I am thinking of is called that but is actually exactly half (or twice). Whattdya want for $58.

 

[Hipcrostino]

My PC8500 is running 1200Mhz (600 actual) @ 5-5-5-12 on 2.1vDimm. i havn't had ddr1300 100% stable yet. To run 1:1 I would require a 600mhz fsb.

cpuz reports PC6400, but they arn't. you can planly see the 533Mhz spd timings

I guess the 1:1 I am thinking of is called that but is actually exactly half (or twice)

DDR is Double Data Rate. As you can see by the below spd ratings, my ram stock actually runs at 533Mhz. 533*2 = 1066Mhz (DDR1066 or PC8500). 400*2= 800Mhz (DDR800 or PC6400).

FSB is a quad pumped affair. 333*4 = 1333. im currently using 400*4 = 1600Mhz. forget the pumped speeds when it comes to dividers. You should be comparing the raw speeds. in my case i have fsb of 400, and ram of 600mhz. 400/600 = 2/3 (my divider). So for me to run 1:1 ratio for the ram, i should run the ram at 400mhz or DDR800 (or the FSB at 600... not going to happen). If i really wanted 1:1 ram, i only needed to buy PC6400 and run it at its stock speed.

 

[rainless]

My PC8500 is running 1200Mhz (600 actual) @ 5-5-5-12 on 2.1vDimm. i havn't had ddr1300 100% stable yet. To run 1:1 I would require a 600mhz fsb.

cpuz reports PC6400, but they arn't. you can planly see the 533Mhz spd timings



DDR is Double Data Rate. As you can see by the below spd ratings, my ram stock actually runs at 533Mhz. 533*2 = 1066Mhz (DDR1066 or PC8500). 400*2= 800Mhz (DDR800 or PC6400).

FSB is a quad pumped affair. 333*4 = 1333. im currently using 400*4 = 1600Mhz. forget the pumped speeds when it comes to dividers. You should be comparing the raw speeds. in my case i have fsb of 400, and ram of 600mhz. 400/600 = 2/3 (my divider). So for me to run 1:1 ratio for the ram, i should run the ram at 400mhz or DDR800 (or the FSB at 600... not going to happen). If i really wanted 1:1 ram, i only needed to buy PC6400 and run it at its stock speed.

Heh... That doesn't mean anything. My PC26400s show the exact same thing.

 

[SuperMiguel]

my is running at 1100

 

[gamefan]

well to put the icing on the cake I found PC2-6400 CB w/i for $130. Thats an investment in myself, from $100- rebate for ram which may get 1050, may not , as the others I originally mentioned may get 1050-1100. It would have been another investment i myself had I to get PC2-8500 CB. I think I'll have happy I can concentrate on pur unadulterated performance oc, for a change.

mobo. I just re-read the MSI P35 neo2 review,and theres the 485 oc ceiling which obviously I want to avoid. There Paltinum P35 seems to avoid this, but not for me b/c more expensive again.

Theres an abit P35 Pro, but its more, and if more, then theres more ASus options, I like the low price idea of the P35 P5K $140/150.

o/w both the Gigabyte P35-DS3r and Asus P5K have heatsink/heatpipes for chipset cooling, and can oc a E6750 to max

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Any need to check out the batch/bin/numbers for the E6750 when I get it, like there used to be with the 2.xC cpus, or are tehy all the G0? Is GO the number I a thnking or is there another number to watch out for if poss. I have heard you can ask to check some dealers "for a premium". Is there such a thing these days?

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The Gigabyte P35-DS3R has a ICH9R and I need a RAID0 SATA for my two WD SATA150(ver1) 36.7GB Raptors. But it has double boot and vdroop. Sounds poss bad, so I don't hink for me.

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The Asus P5K, not the P5K SE or any other P5K, has a ICH9 not ICH9R, so it won't do a two HDD RAID0 OS boot on a ICH9 (RIGHT?), but it does have another promise controller which can do RAIDO for OS boot drive(s). This is a drawback, but choosing b/t dual boot/vdroop & a controller type, I'll choose the ctrlr inconvenience. I have only ever bought Asus mobos (this will be 5?) so I'm used to it.

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The ICh9 won't do a single RAID0 with a single pair of HDD(s), right. The other Promise isn't just for adding more HDDs, multi-RAID, right. Right?

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The Asus P5K doesn't have either the dual boot or vdroop issue the DS3R does, does it. Thats entirely Gigabytes own situation, right?