OFFICIAL Microsoft Windows 10 October 2018 Build will delete your personal files

[EarthDog]

You took EarthDog's figure assumption as correct, but I question it because I install every Windows 10 build on my personal systems and have found out the hard way that I need way more free space than that to install every iteration of Windows 10 as it comes out....

....Windows 10 will only install if much more than what EarthdDog assumed

It was not an assumption.



https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/windows-10-october-update-size

The October Update, however, will require 10GB of available space.

Other installs can of course require more... but this thread is about the October update so I was sticking in the lane.

 

[wagex]

You took EarthDog's figure assumption as correct, but I question it because I install every Windows 10 build on my personal systems and have found out the hard way that I need way more free space than that to install every iteration of Windows 10 as it comes out. I have plenty of space but it is on other partitions, since every single HD I own is partitioned, I have no need for a large OS partition, in fact I keep it as small as possible for drive imaging speed purposes. I still had to increase its size as time went on because Windows 10 will not install, even though I have terabytes of free date on the system, Windows 10 will only install if much more than what EarthdDog assumed is available on the OS drive itself, even if you have terabytes of free space on the entire system.

Second, equally important, I have *never* kept a single personal file on C drive after losing some personal files in the mid 1990s due to a Windows glitch.
So I keep the OS partition just big enough to be operational with no actual programs installed on it [they are all installed on different partitions so that Windows can't get to them - for real this was the reason, which now is no longer paranoia but a real danger] - so I advise everyone to *never* keep any files on C: Drive. I don't even install programs on C: drive, let alone keep personal files there.

I also don't know what the figure is, but let's not forget before blaming the victims, that Microsoft made updates mandatory, not optional on Windows 10.

i hate to break it to you.. windows can sees it windows can deletes it.

well, if you are installing windows on a 10gb partition, your're going to have a bad day no matter how many tb's you have free in a system the os has to be installed on a single partition. What Earthdoge was referencing was the amount of EXTRA storage is required on the partition of which windows is installed on in order to be able to download and have room to run the update.

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seems the doge beat me to it lol i was halfway through then got called over to a computer that wouldnt run our accounting software because............................................... the ssd was full. FML some weird thing avg has been doing with .tmp files
brb gonna go eat my crow.
just kidding its a win7 machine, GOTEEEEM

 

[c627627]

Of course official Windows install can't fit on a 10GB, we are talking about available free space.
I may be confusing amount of available space needed for a Full Install vs. available space needed for a major build update.

 

[Alaric]

[/QUOTE]

M$ Data Specialist: "Hey boss! We've got another one that thinks we've got secret cloud backups and that the only way to restore their deleted data. What should I do?"

M$ BossMan: "Make 3 copies of his data, make sure to keep one off-site. Don't forget to put a "Data Restoration Fee" marker on his permanent record in case he ever deletes it himself and needs our copy that we don't have "

You know I couldn't resist this thread right? But I'll be good now

LOL. I was just speculating. I think c6 nailed it:

This is why chances for recovery in many cases will be slim to none.

Most people can't/won't just stop using their computer until M$ can tell them how to undo it. System Restore will help some people, people who back their stuff up, and so on. There is probably a small percentage of the small percentage who lost files who won't get important stuff back, but they'll be a vocal minority. I will be surprised if M$ doesn't collect another lawsuit or two, though. It's a shame, nobody affected will be happy, including M$.

 

[EarthDog]

Of course official Windows install can't fit on a 10GB, we are talking about available free space.
I may be confusing amount of available space needed for a Full Install vs. available space needed for a major build update.

Maybe. All I know is that multiple media outlets reported this upgrade (what the thread is about) needs 10GB.

 

[c627627]

You need two tings. Plenty of space and a non-hp system.

 

[don256us]

Have you tried turning it off and on again?

 

[AngelfireUk83]

And there's me thinking about updating from 7 to 10 but I have a 128GB SSD for my OS and 3 other drives for everything else even Documents, Pictures etc location target it moved to my main primary 1TB drive as I have 2 one is a back up the other Sandisk SSD is for photos and videos think I might hold back now and stay with 7 it still works for me.

 

[Alaric]

While I confess to a certain Schadenfreude when someone rejects the Waffen OS, M$ does claim to have fixed that issue. Whether or not they took enough heat to insure it won't happen again, I can't say.

 

[wagex]

funny enough, as much as i backup microshaft, im in the process of moving all of my virtual machines over to linux, lol.

 

[Alaric]

funny enough, as much as i backup microshaft, im in the process of moving all of my virtual machines over to linux, lol.

And here I am trying to be all progressive and open minded.

 

[wagex]

Just being resource conscious cleared over 100gb from my main ssd moving vm's to linux



edit: and a few GB of ram usage

 

[Shadowlid]

I view windows 10 the same as I do the flu shot. Everyone says you should get it and that its great and works perfectly! But when you open the box and read the insert you will **** yourself and say why the F#$* would anyone every recommend someone get this? ALso just like the flu shot when a multi billion dollar cooperation offers you a product for free or in the case of the flu shot pays you to get it. You have to start asking questions.

P.S. I'm a nurse by profession and actually read the whole info sheet in the flu shots that we give at my hospital and you would never ever ever ever get it again if you read what I read. Just google Triton X100!

 

[EarthDog]

https://vaxopedia.org/tag/triton-x-100/

(Though this is NOT the place for this discussion)

 

[trents]

I view windows 10 the same as I do the flu shot. Everyone says you should get it and that its great and works perfectly! But when you open the box and read the insert you will **** yourself and say why the F#$* would anyone every recommend someone get this? ALso just like the flu shot when a multi billion dollar cooperation offers you a product for free or in the case of the flu shot pays you to get it. You have to start asking questions.

P.S. I'm a nurse by profession and actually read the whole info sheet in the flu shots that we give at my hospital and you would never ever ever ever get it again if you read what I read. Just google Triton X100!

I'm glad I downloaded my Windows 10 instead of buying it retail. Boy the insert in that retail box must be really scary!

And I still get my free flu shot annually and haven't had the flu in I don't know how long. As I understand how vaccination works it accomplishes in your immune system exactly what the real disease would do without killing you. With an occasional exception of course.

Neither Windows 10 or the flu vaccine are perfect but the dangers are exaggerated by conspiracists and people who resist change. We get these same reactions with every new generation of Windows. When the new one comes out suddenly the old one becomes wonderful. And let me hasten to say I'm not just pointing a finger at others. I am guilty of these tendencies as well. It's just human nature.

Yes, the chaos created by some of the Windows 10 updates is frustrating but the update process for Windows XP and Windows 7 was even more broken, at least for those needing to do do manual updates. In fact those issues in previous versions of Windows spawned utilities like WSUS to fix them. Are we forgetting that?

As I have said before, my biggest complaint with Micorsoft over these Windows update problems is the need they feel to make changes that aren't substantive, adding features that few people actually use and that in the process break things that were working before. Some of this is inevitable as unlike the Apple OS, Windows is a general purpose OS engineered to be able to work on a variety of hardware combinations.

 

[Zuzzz]

As if 1 file deletion bug isnt bad enough apparently there is another one discovered. Read more....
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-10-october-2018-update-zip-file-bug,37967.html

Z

 

[Alaric]

In fact those issues in previous versions of Windows spawned utilities like WSUS to fix them.

A permanent part of my of install .exe collection and a must have for anyone still on W7. Although, a bug that prevents updates would have the effect of making a lot of W10 users quite happy. The U.S. Navy still uses a supported version of XP that is likely the most secure Windows OS version on the planet but there has always been the possibility of an OS crash that loses some or all data on a local machine. I don't think it's the bug in W10 that has people upset, though. It's the ongoing evidence that the people at M$ don't regard your data as yours. Programs/media that Redmond questions your ownership of is summarily deleted because they think they know better, and this "bug" isn't even the result of "for your own good"-it's the result of "you don't matter, the OS is All. All Hail Windows 10". I'm surprised it still has to be installed manually. I figured by now you could just draw a pentagram on the floor in goat's blood and summon it.

 

[c627627]

Same update is now being reported as downgrading Win10 Pro machines to Win10 Home.

 

[Alaric]

Might be time for a pitchfork or two. Just sayin'.

 

[EarthDog]

These are all facepalm worthy...wow.

...I've already put my torches and garden tools awy for the winter, however.