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Col_Loki said:
Personally i would go for the enermax , i would bet that the TT Smart Fan would be pretty noisey at around the 64CFM mark , where the enermax is 34db.

The fan is slightly bigger so it stands to reason that it wouldnt have to spin as fast to produce the same CFM - right?

I have had quite a few TT fans (both cpu and case) and i think they under state the actual noise level. For instance my old volcano 7 , over 3500rpm and you would start to pull your hair out, 4000rpm+ and you think an aeroplane is going to land on you.

I know it is adjustable but noise has to be a big factor and enermax are pretty good at making silent fans, where TT are well known for making screemers.
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I agree that for 92 mm fan, the Enermax is a better choice. It has more CFM per dbA. At 64 CFM, TT SFII would be very loud, i.e. CFM/dbA not good.

A 92 mm fan is more efficient than a 80 mm fan for CFM / dbA.

This is the spec for a 80 mm Enermax, which would not be all around as the TT SFII at higher CFM for testing. That is why for 80 mm fan, I think most ppl like TT SFII. But for 92 mm fan, up to 64 CFM, Enermax is a better choice.

Model No. UC-8FAB (Enermax 80 mm adjustable)
rpm...1800.... 2300.... 2800.... 3400
CFM.. 26.87...33.23....36.76.... 39.8
dB.... 26.5.....29.8......30.1......38.0
 
hitech thanks for the link to the official model 10 data sheet. No mention of Thorton or Thornton. There goes that chance to find out the correct code name.

Now that we're done talking fans, let's make our official guide to freeing up that extra Thorton cache.

1. Clean the bridges with alcohol.

2. Use clear tape to tape to tape off the surrounding surface around the L2 bridge pictured in the middle of the page here:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20030930171549.html

So white out can be used instead of super glue? (someone please fill in the rest...)
 
I don't remember the stepping, but I know that "Q" was the second letter.

I'm using an slk-900 with a 92mm tornado on a rheo.

The conductive paint is "Loctite Quick Grid Rear Window Defogger Repair Kit" or "Permatex Quick Grid Rear Window Defogger Repair Kit". I got it at NAPA for $9.00. The Autozone in my area didn't have it.


Official guide (cont.):

Step 3: Yes, white-out works--that's what I used. I didn't want a big mound, so rather than brush over the hole, I pushed some bristles into the hole. It didn't fill it up completely, so it wasn't flush with the surface, but it covered the bottom of the hole.

Step 4: Wait a few seconds and remove the tape. I thought that if I waited until it completely dried, removing the tape might pull up what was in the hole. So, I pulled the tape off quickly.

Step 5: Wait a few minutes for the whiteout to dry.

Step 6: Tape off area again, but this time leave the two points of the bridge exposed.

Step 7: Shake your defogger repair kit paint really well (mine was separated big time and it looked like some of it was caked in one of the corners--lots of shaking mixed it just fine).

Step 8: Brush it on, wait a few seconds, and remove the tape. I took the tape off quickly again for the same reason as stated above. Let it dry for a half-hour or so.

Step 9: Put a piece of scotch tape over it to protect it. This might not be necessary, but I did it anyway.

By the way, before i did this I tried to tape a tiny piece of copper wire to make the connection. I tried multiple times and it never worked. So, I wouldn't waste your time--it was harder and took longer than using the defogger kit, and all it did was make me think that extra cache didn't work.
 
Thanks for the brand names :)

This is very interesting, basically you are getting a ~$60 Barton... :)

Good deal for you if it flies for you nicely!

I am considering grabbing one for experimenting, and fun. Are these only DUT3Cs, or do they come in a DLT3C variety as well?
 
Are there any alternatives to Window Defogger Kit?

felinusz, DLT3C are 1.5 V and

- 2000+, 1667 MHz, 1.6 V
- 2200+, 1800 MHz, 1.6 V
- 2400+, 2000 MHz, 1.65 V

so... no.
 
1800+ for $83.57 US dollars with or without free shipping?
(hot for Canadians maybe.)

What can it do that $65+$5 guaranteed can't do:
http://www.excaliberpc.com/product_...=1094&osCsid=a2096fc0ee0e1c703f83c24a5cf3daee

Also $85 Barton's extra cache means 2.4 Barton = 2.5 T-Bred B.
So you go anywhere near $80, better go Barton, right or wrong?


Also Guaranteed 1800+ B here for $52+0:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductList.jsp?ThirdCategoryCode=010413
(click on 'next' at the bottom of the page.)

I think it's between
$52+0 for 1800+ B or
$66+0 for 2000+ Thorton

I guess it would also depend on how much extra $ is needed to turn the Thorton into a Barton.

So can we do better then spending extra $10 on Window Defogger Kit.


Any cheaper stuff on eBay or anything like that?
 
c627627 said:
1800+ for $83.57 US dollars with or without free shipping?
(hot for Candians maybe.)

What can it do that $65+$5 guaranteed can't do:
http://www.excaliberpc.com/product_...=1094&osCsid=a2096fc0ee0e1c703f83c24a5cf3daee

Also Guaranteed 1800+ B here for $52+0:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductList.jsp?ThirdCategoryCode=010413
(click on 'next' at the bottom of the page.)

I think it's between
$52+0 for 1800+ B or
$66+0 for 2000+ Thorton

I guess it would also depend on how much extra $ is needed to turn the Thorton into a Barton.

So can we do better then spending extra $10 on Window Defogger Kit.


Any cheaper sruff on eBay or anything like that?
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Well the point is that current trend shows these to be hitting well over 2500mhz with much less voltage. With my power supply, I'm limited to the results in my sig. I'm convinced with a stronger 5v line I'd hit 2500mhz at 1.95 to 2.0v. I'd go for the JIXIB. It's worth the chance to have a coveted CPU. :)

You gotta figure the DUT3C will be hitting roughly 2.2-2.3 with very liberal voltage.

You also need to factor at least $10 for some conductive grease. Or you could even ask certain members of the board to send you a small amount through the mail. ;)

Then you've got to consider that the extra cache is anything but guaranteed. You don't know if it will funtion properly.

My vote is for either the JIXIB 1800 or to fork over the dough for a genuine 2500+ Barton. If money is really a big issue, the DUT3C 1800 isn't a bad choice. But then again, if money is really that important here, a Duron would be in order IMO.
 
If anyone can spare a postage stamp to send me a small amount of conductive grease through mail, I'd be very grateful and will use it to post results on how far a Thorton turned into Barton can overclock with more than decent cooling and RAM.

brennan77 said:
You also need to factor at least $10 for some conductive grease. Or you could even ask certain members of the board to send you a small amount through the mail. ;)
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Got your PM brennan77. Thanks buddy!

I'll order the Thorton tonight, if anyone knows for any other places that sell them, post now.
 
I'm leaning towards ordering for $66+0 from http://accessmicro.com/content/products/productinfo.cfm?partnumber=CPPAMSA20THXP&product_id=47897

2. $1.21 cheaper now $64.79+0 at
http://www.knowledgemicro.com/detail.php?name=AXDC-2000
but they're a bit dodgy at http://www.resellerratings.com/

3. $67+0
http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=AXDC-2000&c=pw
(reseller ratings 10/21: wrong item sent, restocking fee to return. That means RED ALERT. If they send you the wrong item AND try to charge the restocking fee, don't purchase ther, and tell your friends.)

At another place these same ewiz people advertize it for $61.67 then kill you on shipping ($9.24) = $70.91
 
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im keeping a close eyeball on this thread,and any other thorton sightings.

imo a thorton is a much better way to go even over a 1800 dlt.

extra cache and its ability to be made a barton in resale value helps decide for me even more.

sometimes the newest stuff isnt the best oc product,but this time it is since its a ocer's chip plus its a better core.

xtra cache on the die should help over come its .1v extra so temps should be same or lower.

i get paid in a week or so and im buying most or all the parts to get my main rig running.this might well be a chip i get.

"edit" for a nice 2200 thorton sighting $74.20
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/cart/product.asp?id=17119&from=422
resellerratings
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller3902.html

they also have the 2000 thorton for $65.52
 
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Well, $65.52+$7.65 (cheapest ground shipping)= $73.17
A bit to close to a real 2500+ Barton....

P.S. Why would anyone here buy a 2200+ Thorton (for like $82 out of pocket) Aren't there places selling the real Barton for $83...

Please post if you find any other places though.
 
you asked for links,not suggestions if it should be bought.
i would buy a 2000 over a 2200 as im sure its the same chip anyhow.

"edited" due to your edit :D ty i much prefer the addition.
im fast and watch on good info.



Last edited by A mean Ghost on 10-21-2003 at 10:11 PM
 
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Just ordered from http://accessmicro.com/content/products/productinfo.cfm?partnumber=CPPAMSA20THXP&product_id=47897

for $60 FREE 2nd day AIR!!

When I went to the web page and clicked on checkout, they seemed to have web certificate problem so I called the order in
8:00am - 5:00pm PST, Monday through Friday
(800) 906-6868 Select Option 1

Give them
AccessMicro P/N: CPPAMSA20THXP

and instead of $66 the price was $60 and they even use FedEx air instead of ground shipping.


I was going to pay more because of all those other losers screwing people over according to reseller ratings but this was a nice surprise.
 
brennan77 said:
Well the point is that current trend shows these to be hitting well over 2500mhz with much less voltage. With my power supply, I'm limited to the results in my sig. I'm convinced with a stronger 5v line I'd hit 2500mhz at 1.95 to 2.0v. I'd go for the JIXIB. It's worth the chance to have a coveted CPU. :)

You gotta figure the DUT3C will be hitting roughly 2.2-2.3 with very liberal voltage.

You also need to factor at least $10 for some conductive grease. Or you could even ask certain members of the board to send you a small amount through the mail. ;)
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Yeah, these 0332 JIXIBs do overclock really well - but for that price I'd rather have a Barton (*looks at sig* :p - I got mine for $82 Canadian locally by looking at steppings!).

C627627 - do you still need some conductive paint? I just bought a "rear window defogger repair kit" for $5 to use for volt modding (solder is too scary!), and I could send you some if you still need it.

In the name of science!! (I wanna see how your Thorton will do!)
 
Thanks felinusz, brennan77 said he had some and is sending it over.
Thanks though, we'll se how it will do, all I need is to hit 2.4 and with that double cache, it would be like 2.5 T-Bred, right?
 
I think so. That is what we're seeing with Barton's anyways performance-wise. Plus - you will have a "rare" processor to show off - it isn't every day that you see someone with an overclocked "Thorton"!

I'll bet that if you give er' a good FSB overclock it'll beat the warm silicone out of most Thoroughbred's at the same MHz :).

It will also be interesting to see how these compare with the "new" Barton 2500+ chips.

Also - if you have enough time (changing the Heatsink for modding after testing with half-cache, playing with settings to get all the pre-defined speeds, etc.) you might want to do some purely scientific tests to see how high you can get it with only half the cache enabled before you unlock the extra disabeld 256K cache, and how it performs at several pre-defined clock speeds first with half-cache, and then with full-cache.

We could compare your two sets of results to some T-Bred "B"s at the same clock speeds and see if a Barton without the full 512K cache still beats a T-Bred or not :)). That would be *very* interesting, as the T-Bred and your Thorton would have the same cache. I am also wondering if you could get it to a higher clock speed with the full-cache, or with the half-cache.

The more I think about it, the more I am tempted to buy one of these... :)
 
Thorton arrived today. Results will be posted tomorrow evening due to a problem that I just traced to this 92mm fan:
http://store.yahoo.com/svcompucycle/en92vasphipe1.html

Code is

AXDC2000DUT3C
AQZFA 0341SPMW

(Manufactured like 10 days ago, very interested to see what it'll do.)

Here's what kept me from posting the results today:


It wouldn't start and it wouldn't start and I couldn't figure out why. I put it in another case, wouldn't start. Then smoke started coming out of the Antec PSU. Taking my own advice to others in similar saturations, I unplugged everything and walked away.

Few hours later, I looked at the entire situation.

I put the CPU into a different Epox 8RDA+ in a different case with a Fortron 350W, where there was a working CPU previously, no boot. So it's the CPU, or was it?

I unplugged the Enermax 92mm fan we talked about earlier in the thread and used the Tt Smart Fan II instead.

It worked!

What the heck? The fan caused all those problems? (huh)




1. Big thank you to brennan77 for sending the thermal compound to mod this Thorton into a Barton. I plan to see what it can do unmodded first.

2. Interestingly GCPUID reports the chip as Barton.

3. New Thermalright heatsink SLK900A is awesome.
Antec SX-835II case ; 350W Antec SmartPower SL350
Epox 8RDA+

Buffalo DDR400 CL2.5 Winbond CH-5 PC3200 (2x256MB)

3. Before putting in PC3200 memory, I had a chance to test this CPU with PC2100 RAM.

From this thread:" Not unlocked Only 2100+ and higher T-Breds and 3000+ Barton post higher multipliers" http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=232303
Only Abit and Soltek will post 13 and higher multipliers on 1600+ through 2000+ CPUs.

So Epox would not post 13x multiplier it now simply resets the multiplier to 12.5 and posts that. There's definitely one reason you may want to opt for 2200+ or 2400+ Thorton. The 2000+ default multi is 12.5 limitting you to lower range. 2200+ and 2400+ give you all multis with most nForce2 boards.




Will post the link to the new thread of Thorton AQZFA 0341SPMW OC results here, tomorrow evening:

http://
 
So I take it you receive the mail then? :)

I wish we would have thought of the multiplier thing earlier. That's a bummer. I love this motherboard, but that kinda bites. This should get interesting with such a new CPU.
 
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