why are there celerons and durons?

[johan851]

Thortons are Barton cores. I don't know if you can call those Durons

I think they market them as non-Barton AthlonXP's, since they have 256k of cache. I guess that's kind of proof that lower end chips are basically higher end chips with part of the cache disabled - otherwise they'd continue to produce 256k chips on the T-Bred core. Or something.

 

[wju425]

I think they market them as non-Barton AthlonXP's, since they have 256k of cache. I guess that's kind of proof that lower end chips are basically higher end chips with part of the cache disabled - otherwise they'd continue to produce 256k chips on the T-Bred core. Or something.

I don't see how they can call it the "non-Barton" XPs if they have the Barton core. When they disabled 256k of their L2 caches they didn't removed it from the cores. The bartons are actually T-breds with added 256k L2 cache and a front side of 166 instead of 133. The Thortons are just like T-breds but their core is bigger.

 

[johan851]

Well...they have the Barton core but they're called "Thortons" because they lack the full 512k of cache. I never said they removed it - I just said they're no longer called "Bartons" because they only have half the cache. Let's not split hairs...you know what I mean.

 

[wju425]

Well...they have the Barton core but they're called "Thortons" because they lack the full 512k of cache. I never said they removed it - I just said they're no longer called "Bartons" because they only have half the cache. Let's not split hairs...you know what I mean.

I know you didn't say that but I see your point and you're right. I guess you could call thortons the durons in a way. Palominos>Morgans, T-breds>Appalbreds, and Bartons>Thortons.

 

[Chowdy]

I know you didn't say that but I see your point and you're right. I guess you could call thortons the durons in a way. Palominos>Morgans, T-breds>Appalbreds, and Bartons>Thortons.

So a newcastle is a duron?

 

[wju425]

What's a newcastle?

 

[JaY_III]

http://www.c627627.com/AMD/AthlonXP/

 

[johan851]

Yeah, a Newcastle is kind of like a scaled down/less cache Hammer. I think.

 

[wju425]

Very nice chart. I'm not familiar with 64bit cpus but there's plenty of them alright.

Why I called them durons are that they are budget versions of their big brothers. Duron no more it is but it was just a sentiment. Saw something interesting in the chart. You can see Thortons as Barton grades but named XPs (my bad). Now looking at the appalbreds I see T-bred/Barton grades. I haven't seen an Appalbred with a Barton core. Now I see a new set of Durons called Paris coming. AGHH!

 

[man_utd]

The intel guy (Bob something or the other) gave a lecture at stanford a couple of months back.

He explained basic econ, there should be 3 distinguishable groups, and people will most often pick the one in the middle.

For example Celeron<p4<EE. (though EE is too expensive to be even considered correctly)

People will see the celeron, think meh?, then see EE and think way too much, and settle n the p4.

In the case of newcastle, its a64<fx. There is no real middle. In that case a64 will get less money than say the p4 setup, as there is a chance because there is no middle ground, that the buyer may just skip the buy.

 

[Captain Newbie]

The new Athlon XPs for Socket 754 *conjecture* will fill in the bottom of AMD's market, and, since they take the best things out of x86-64 technology (on chip RAM controller, HT links), should perform in a stellar manner.