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Enablingwolf said:
One of the things I like about XP. Plenty of documentation. Since it is very aged now and still has official support. So there is still folks making guides and programs to help it along or make is fun to use. Sure there is downers, but there is a lot of good things to.
You mean, lots of end-luser documentation. The developer documentation, in a word, sucks.

Alot of stuff just works, it doesn't need drivers. It just loads. Even though it may not be fully there. It does have functionality. My system right after a install everything but the RAID works. So that is a nice plus in my book. It gives you some leway to get everything in. Not perfect, but works more oft then not.
A properly configured, modular kernel will also do that.

Linux... Well it would be good if it supported more hardware, installed easier, and played all the games that Windows Does. However, I would not use anything but a Unix Machine for a Database. I just wouldnt run the machine. In fact Linux has the server market down, though the Intranet Machines are often Microsoft, and dotNet works better on MS then Linux.
Linux drivers. As for hardware architecture support:
kernel.org said:
Although originally developed first for 32-bit x86-based PCs (386 or higher), today Linux also runs on (at least) the Compaq Alpha AXP, Sun SPARC and UltraSPARC, Motorola 68000, PowerPC, ARM, Hitachi SuperH, IBM S/390, MIPS, HP PA-RISC, Intel IA-64, DEC VAX, AMD x86-64, AXIS CRIS, Renesas M32R, and Atmel AVR32.
I can run the same OS on my Mac, on my PC, and on my bloomin' wristwatch. :)

.net doesn't work on Linux for obvious reasons: most obviously, that it's Microsoft's platform, and they don't want to help FOSS at all.

The issues I have had with XP are problems caused by myself. Otherwise, it seems to do what I ask it to do
True of pretty much any OS.

In defense of Microsoft, they had some pretty darned good businessmen who got them to where they are. Technical improvements are NOT their specialty.
 
Captain Newbie said:
In defense of Microsoft, they had some pretty darned good businessmen who got them to where they are. Technical improvements are NOT their specialty.

now that doesnt sound like a defense :D



i just dont get when people say oh microsoft cant do this and cant do that.. but then i ask well what does ? and get no real solid answer.. except linux will .. but then i get right back to the point well linux doesnt do certain things either..



maybe i should ask for a list ... a list of things that each os cant compared to others .. or would that bring out the flames ??
 
Xtreme Barton said:
now that doesnt sound like a defense :D
It isn't a very good one. That's because there really isn't any excuse for technical inferiority when you get right down to it: we are enthusiasts and we should all know better.

It's just fascinating to me that we try to eke out every last flop from the computers we have, but the majority of overclockers are ignoring the most important part of a computer: THE SOFTWARE. :cool:
 
Captain Newbie said:
It isn't a very good one. That's because there really isn't any excuse for technical inferiority when you get right down to it: we are enthusiasts and we should all know better.

It's just fascinating to me that we try to eke out every last flop from the computers we have, but the majority of overclockers are ignoring the most important part of a computer: THE SOFTWARE. :cool:

think that all depends on what you do with it .. and like you said, what the user knows.
 
Captain Newbie said:
You mean, lots of end-luser documentation. The developer documentation, in a word, sucks.

Microsoft's website gives you all this and more. The only grind is finding the stuff because there is so much.
 
Xtreme Barton said:
sweat ..another thread drifting away ... gotta love it..


The title and opening post is somewhat misleading untill the last 7 words.


Windows is great for simplicity of use and installation, vast variety of hardware and software, a actual company behind the OS to help you, to continually update and battle people trying to make your computer a mess.

Someone put effort into this work, and deserve to make a profit off thier effort. Freeware is great, but limited to peoples charity to complete upgrades. Look at PHPbb, they have been talking about thier new version of PHPbb for 3 years, and it is finally nearing completion. Not a single member of thier volunteer force made a cent off the venture... why would they haul a$$ to get it done quickly? They got real jobs to pay the bills, PHPbb is a hobby.

Linux is the hobby that got too serious.
 
yeah, this is the worst topic information request Ive ever read. its really not clear. I think he wants people who flame windows to say something nice for a change...

Kissy Kissy
Mike
 
If operating system xxxx is so great; why are most people using M/S systems.
PS: So far I haven't seen any reason droping XP-PRO and goint to Vista or any other system
 
SeasonalEclipse said:
activation isnt too bad if your lucky and dont come across any issues.. ( I was lucky!) hm.. but the bad part of XP Is... its built in stuff like fire wall/other system tools are worthless compared to some freeware you can get.

i think the only reason ms put things like the fire wall in etc... is to make un expeirenced users think that it is safe and there is no need for additional software etc.. any ideas ?
 
XP has always run pretty well for me, even before SP1. Of course there have been and are exploits but that's only because the writers of these exploits go for the biggest target, it would be the exact same for any other OS that has a 90%+ market share.

Most of the so-called problems are PIFOK: Problem In Front Of Keyboard ;)
 
I honestly think 32bit XP sucks compared to XP Pro x64, it's rock-solid, reliable, powerful, easy to modify, and it can keep going for months on end without restarting. So far I've had XP x64 running for about 2 months; before that: 1, 3, 4, 2, 1... never has crashed and only has been restarted for the odd update.

And 64 bit games are nowhere near as choppy as 32 bit games, my max framerate is the same as XP 32bit, but my minimum framerate went up by a few. :beer:
More bits! = More Action!
 
Hmm, I have not been a great supporter of MS, mostly because they took money that didn't belong to them and some of their practices have been less than honorable(much less).
I must admit however, that XP is a mature OS with little for me to complain about. It seems very resilient and wants to boot even with hardware failures and changes that would render earlier OS's unbootable. I recently upgraded from a 754 to this 939 that I have now. I changed mobo , processor and graphics card all at one time. I did my usual backup to an ide from my raid arrays. took it all apart and installed the new stuff. I wanted to see if it would do a repair install with only the raid drivers. It went better then I could have imagined. It found the older Nvidia raid array intact and proceeded to do a repair. It did take several hours to complete as it would just stop for long periods but would finish each part without intervention. I was surprised that it reactivated over the Internet without having to make a call to MS.
I am going to find it difficult to change over to Vista in the future because I have grown very fond of my XP Pro.
 
Shell said:
I honestly think 32bit XP sucks compared to XP Pro x64, it's rock-solid, reliable, powerful, easy to modify, and it can keep going for months on end without restarting. So far I've had XP x64 running for about 2 months; before that: 1, 3, 4, 2, 1... never has crashed and only has been restarted for the odd update.

And 64 bit games are nowhere near as choppy as 32 bit games, my max framerate is the same as XP 32bit, but my minimum framerate went up by a few. :beer:
More bits! = More Action!

ive never had the chance to try the 64bit edition... im still well behinf on hardware until i get a job on my AMD Athlon XP 2500+ Barton @ 3200+ (2.2ghz)
maybe when i get a new processor i'll try it :)
 
WARNING -- LENGTHY READ -- TOOK ME ALLOT OF TIME -- REFERENCES INCLUDED -- PLEASE DEBATE THE IDEAS AND NOT A SINGLE STATEMENT, IM SIMPLY NOT A WRITER AND CAN NOT MAKE SURE EVERY WORD I TYPE IS PERFECT! THANKS!

Microsoft is in a very tough position. Most people use Windows, so the majority of scams, viruses, spyware, etc. are written for this operating system. It’s not that Mac or Linux is more secure, it’s that Windows is in the spot light.

Reference and good read:
http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_id=0010003L8438

If you look hard into security websites and other places, you will find a host of problems and hacks for Linux. It’s been standard statistics and knowledge that Linux and Windows in the server market have around the same failure and compromise rate for security failures. The other factor is cost of ownership. There is much controversy over both of these topics, so here are a list of some great references. Many Linux supporting documents are scattered across different sites, while Microsoft tends to include these documents in their websites. Because of this, and because of googles page rank system; it is hard to find pro-Microsoft documents that are not on the Microsoft site. Read the above article, as for it explains most of this.

Cost of Ownership References
http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/execmail/2004/10-27platformvalue.mspx
http://download.microsoft.com/documents/customerevidence/11484_Rayovac_Case_Study.doc
https://thesource.ofallevil.com/windowsserver/facts/topics/tco.mspx
http://www.cyber.com.au/about/linux_vs_windows_tco_comparison.pdf
http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/RFG-LinuxTCO-vFINAL-Jul2002.pdf

Security Failure Rate References
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/...icanLinuxWindowsTCOComparisonPart2-Yankee.pdf
http://www.securityfocus.com/unix
http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/88 <-Windows

General
http://www.newsfactor.com/
http://linux.slashdot.org/
http://slashdot.org/search.pl?tid=201 <-Windows
http://www.antionline.com/
http://dmoz.org/Computers/Hacking/Cracking/ <- Includes some Amazing Sites

The largest security hole in any computer system is not the operating system but in the users who access the systems. Read any credible book on Cracking (dont you dare say hacking), and you will find a large section on social engineering, and compromising systems based on human error. Its the easiest way to crack a system. Ive read books with chapters dealing in how to dumpster dive for the sole purpose of gaining info used to crack systems.

For Example, one practice used by people is:
Scout out a "secure" site, a local large company. Watch how they operate, and look at how they work both on a public level (websites, knowledge bases, open forums, phone calls, etc). Look at how security desks allow people in their doors. Watch carefully and you could find a loop hole. Call sales, find out about products. Get names and locations of where to meet people. If you need to, set up a meeting. Act like a client. Go to the meeting, learn about the company, their products, lingo, etc. Then gather the guts, and the willingness to get into the fold, make a plan and follow through. If your good, I would give you really good chance of getting past the physical security. Once in... well then it doesnt make much difference what the external network firewall is.

Another Example:
Call up a person from a major company and act as a member of the companies IT staff. It is amazing how much info you can get out of the person you call. In fact it may be you who is giving out this info!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretexting
http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1527
http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/tips/ST04-014.html
http://www.cybercrimes.net/Property/Hacking/Social Engineering/PsychSocEng/PsySocEng.html

This is important, and I know people may cry fowl stating that I am teaching people how to do illegal things. That I am violating forum rules. However I am really teaching people how to AVOID being a victim. The best defense is to study your enemy. Look into everything they do, how they do it, and what the results are. Read your copy of 2600 or Black Book, and go to the sites about Cracking and Cyber Crime. Educate yourself on how to do harm, and then use that knowledge to protect yourself from others doing harm to you. The cyber criminals are going to the sites dedicated to protecting you from security violations; so don’t be ignorant and fail to see thier side.

If you are IT staff, you BETTER be doing this. It is important to read about the latest ways people take advantage of these complex systems. Please for the love of god, go to the black hat sites, and READ... Then READ more... Join the forums, and if need be pretend you are a bad guy. Knowledge is power, and power is safety.

If you are a adverage user, a company employee, an executive, or a human that owns a computer... Then PLEASE READ about social engineering. Learn about Phishing, Pharming, etc... Watch your browsers address bar, dont leave guests unattended in your place of work, dont give out any system information over the phone/email unless you know exactly who you are talking to, and even then be very carefull. Even the telephone systems may also be mis-used, cracked, or monitored.

In my mind the worst security tech problem around is unsecured wireless routers. Drive around with a lap top, and see how many unsecured wireless networks you can access. If you are one of these people, just think what someone may do parked out in front of your house with a lap top. They could access child porn, or break into any security system... When they trace back the IP Address they will get you, and NOT the guy who actually did these activities.

Microsoft doesn’t build wireless switches... Yet we are not talking about Linksys and the other companies who do. We are talking about big bad Microsoft, the company with all those billions of dollars. The Jealousy we have for this companies, and the deionization that occurs due to their market position (read first reference). Please secure or turn off your wireless routers. Someone who is reading this IS on a unsecure wireless router. It may be you.

http://www.computerworld.com/newsletter/0,4902,89039,00.html?nlid=MW
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/facts/default.mspx


People complain about a few of Microsoft’s software activation policies. You don’t have to read far down in the list of this forum to find a post about it. Yet Microsoft is very public about every bit of data they gather. How they gather it, and what they do with that data. There not out selling this data, nor are they really gathering anything important. Yet hundreds of companies have broken this trust. Big companies like the REAL PLAYER, who secretly gathered information on their customers without ever acknowledging that they were doing so. When they were caught they quickly switched their Licensee agreement, but luckily this didn’t prevent the lawsuit. Their not the first, or the last... just an example!

“Microsoft Spyware” on this forum
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=493332

Real Player
http://www.micro2000.co.uk/techtips/techtip_media_player_watching_spyware.htm

Microsoft Privacy Information
http://privacy.microsoft.com/

When Microsoft gains and controls a market place, they tend to abandon that tech. Yet time after time people have stepped up and re-lite the fire of innovation. Look at FireFox, WinAmp, Zend Studios, ZoneLabs, Spybot Search and Destroy, Mac OSX... The list goes on, and in each case it lights the fire under Microsofts *** and Microsoft responds with some great products.

Who benifits... Well first is the people who recognize and take advantage of the market. Then the users who need these programs and can pay for them. Then ultimately Microsoft develops programs that compete with these products and offer them to us poor soles who cant pay for the thousands of seperate applications that would be needed to run a system Microsoft sells for a few hundred dollars. Aint free markets great:)

Good Read
http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

So if you like Linux, then by all means go and use Linux... Its a great solution.

If you want to really change things, then start getting involved. Head over to OSDN and join a team. Start writing code, and start working to make things better. Talk to your friends and co-workers about security, and how to REALLY protect themselves. Its not tough to do, just takes a few minutes and a patient student.

I have worked on many open source applications. I plan on getting back to the Open Source Application that I have a passion for; PostNuke!

http://postnuke.com/

Mike

EDIT - I do not think I am a Microsoft fanboy. They discourage me, and they act like bullies. I wish Linux was at the top. I feel that much of the hatred of Microsoft is not justified. I feel that there are many reasons to why people don’t like them, and that they are always the target because they are the biggest. I Love that Macs exist, and we should all hope that they remain in the back of the pack. They encourage the market, yet Mac Dominance would be horrible do to their restrictive licenses.

Why should we sit and complain about what is wrong with the world without coming up with solutions on how to make it right.
 
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