SMP2 introduces new points system

[ChasR]

p6011 is worth 40 points with no bonus so it better be fast.

 

[pik4chu]

p6011 is worth 40 points with no bonus so it better be fast.

Ya it took a bit for HFM to update with the project info but its still going pretty rock solid ppd wise by what I posted earlier, just now its folding real WUs lol.

 

[GIXXERGUY6]

all I know is I think i'm raking in the points now

I went to bed at 1 or 2 am had 202 wu's(stanford) and 136,306 points

as of now at 8:45am I have 208 wu's and 141,578.
I'm churning SMP's about every 5:40 hours with tpf of 3:50ish
GPU's are now under :49 and every hour or 2.

I need more i7's

 

[NEWBIE911]

Like this ????

Client version 6.29 and the -advmethods flag.

./fah6 -smp 4 -verbosity 9 -advmethods

 

[ChasR]

That will work, unless you're running a dual core.

 

[GeneralMac]

There aren't any a3 -bigadv Wus. If you want the big points, you can run the 6.29 client, without -advmethods, with big WUs, and the -bigadv flag, as long as the client detects 8 cores, physical or logical.

ChasR did I read this correctly?
an smp2 client -smp 8 -bigadv, If so is there any performance increase? or decrease? and is it true the -bigadv will be going to a3 sometime in the near future? and that means less memory usage...Yaa
so higher cpu clocks like 4.3 or 4.4 and memory @ 1600 Mhz will result in lower TPF unlike now where 4.2 O/C and memory @ 2000 Mhz is the best route?
nice if it works that way

 

[ChasR]

I don't have enough data to know if memory speed or FSB makes a difference. -bigadv makes 25,000+ ppd in a Linux VM on an i7 @ 3.8 GHz. (190 x 20, memory at just under 1600 Mhz)

 

[harlam357]

Here's my data for i7 920 @ 3.8GHz (200 x 19) and memory @ 1600MHz in Linux VM on Win7 64-bit.

The minimum frame time is what it ran with no GPUs active. The average and current times are what I see with 2xGTX285s in the mix. The GPUs generally make ~18,000ppd combined, so I'm ~13,000+ ppd after the GPUs take their hit on the i7.

About 34,000ppd from one box... not bad.

 Project ID: 2681
 Core: GROCVS
 Credit: 25403
 Frames: 100


 Name: Ubuntu VM SMP - i7 920
 Path: \\i7-ubuntu-vm\harlarw\FAH
 Number of Frames Observed: 300

 Min. Time / Frame : 00:32:09 - 26,378.4 PPD
 Avg. Time / Frame : 00:37:15 - 21,151.0 PPD
 Cur. Time / Frame : 00:36:30 - 21,661.7 PPD
 R3F. Time / Frame : 00:36:25 - 21,711.3 PPD
 All  Time / Frame : 00:37:13 - 21,244.6 PPD
 Eff. Time / Frame : 00:38:12 - 20,697.7 PPD

 

[ChasR]

These numbers are from an i7 @ 190 x 20. THe first in native Linux (2.6.31-16), the 2nd from a VM (also 2.6.31-17) without a gpu to give you an idea of the hit from a VM:
Project ID: 2681
Core: GROCVS
Credit: 25403
Frames: 100


Name: LMC
Path: \\Chasr-desktop\fah\
Number of Frames Observed: 300

Min. Time / Frame : 00:31:15 - 27,526 PPD
Avg. Time / Frame : 00:32:26 - 26,033 PPD


Name: LMC VM
Path: \\Ubuntu\fah\
Number of Frames Observed: 293

Min. Time / Frame : 00:32:59 - 25,385 PPD
Avg. Time / Frame : 00:33:21 - 24,968 PPD
Cur. Time / Frame : 00:33:21 - 24,764 PPD
R3F. Time / Frame : 00:33:20 - 24,776 PPD
All Time / Frame : 00:33:24 - 24,727 PPD
Eff. Time / Frame : 00:35:26 - 23,308 PPD

 

[GeneralMac]

ChasR, When my -bigadv was completed I installed the smp2 client and set it up -smp 8 -bigadv flags and it gave me a regular a3..so I returned to th vm

 

[ChasR]

If you're out to maximize ppd, I don't really understand why you'd want to change from running -bigadv to SMP2 and give up 10,000 ppd anyway. There are no -bigadv a3 WUs and wont be for a while. THe advantage of SMP2 and a3 WUs is much lower memory usage, allowing i7s with 3 GB to get in the 16,000 ppd range, up from 9500 ppd or so they could get on regular a2 WUs.

 

[torin3]

Does anybody have an idea of how long it will be until -bigadv WUs show up on WinSMP2? I'm trying to budget for how much RAM I need to get. A month or so, I'll only go with 4GB, more than that, I'll bite the bullet and get 8GB.

 

[GIXXERGUY6]

I just want to know if more ram is a good thing. Chas had me set my smp2 up with 600 as he said it's not beneficial to use more....At least I think that's what he said

 

[Audioaficionado]

I just let it see all my memory (8GB). It can't hurt and there won't be any future WUs I'll miss when there are >600MB requirements.

 

[ChasR]

I just want to know if more ram is a good thing. Chas had me set my smp2 up with 600 as he said it's not beneficial to use more....At least I think that's what he said

The amount you enter in memory during config has NOTHING to do with how much memory a WU uses. It is in no way a limit on memory usage. It is a tool to be used to prevent assignment of memory intensive WUs. When a WU is loaded on the server, it's given a memory value. THe Assignment server compares the memory reported by the client to the memory value of the WU. If WU value is > client memory value, it doesn't assign that WU. Stanford hasn't been entering meaningful values when loading WUs for some time so if you report 600 or more, you qualify for any WU, including -bigadv (actually I found one at 1000, so I'll change my recommendation).

Here's a hypothetical scenario where it may prove useful, if Stanford uses the memory reporting properly. Let's say you build a new i7 and opt for 4 GB of ram. Stanford then releases a3 -bigadv and you decide to fold them. THe SMP2 client though will fold any core and when the server runs out of a3 -bigadv, you get an a2 -bigadv. You don't have enough ram and the WU crashes or runs slowly. If the configuration settings are the same, there's no way to avoid this. If the a2 -bigadv were set up properly to require 4000 MB reported for assignment, you could avoid them by reporting less than that. THe same would hold true if you had more ram, but didn't want to use it to fold a2 -bigadv, set the memory value to be less than that required to qualify for assignment.
THe memory column on the serverstat page, shows the WU requirements. Most are set to the default value of 64 MB, even though they may use far more than that.

 

[GIXXERGUY6]

see I told you I was wrong

 

[harlam357]

Does anybody have an idea of how long it will be until -bigadv WUs show up on WinSMP2? I'm trying to budget for how much RAM I need to get. A month or so, I'll only go with 4GB, more than that, I'll bite the bullet and get 8GB.

Amen to that... I bit on a matched 12GB kit. Seeing as how my first i7 with 6GB and an 8-Core VM uses (system + VMWare + Folding) pretty much 5GB of the 6GB, I had to have more than that since this new i7 is going to be my main. I could have easily gotten by with 6GB if bigadv were on WinSMP2.

 

[GeneralMac]

Amen to that... I bit on a matched 12GB kit. Seeing as how my first i7 with 6GB and an 8-Core VM uses (system + VMWare + Folding) pretty much 5GB of the 6GB, I had to have more than that since this new i7 is going to be my main. I could have easily gotten by with 6GB if bigadv were on WinSMP2.

I put my 3rd 285 back in. with 6 gb ram when I did the vm crashed and had to losen my timings a bit. 6 gb and 3x 285's is really pushing it.
I also might have to bite the bullet and get more ram