"Cortana, you're fired!"

[knoober]

lol no, it was the "download but upgrade later" button.

At the end of the day it was an "upgrade now" or "agree to upgrade later and we will start it whether you want Win10 or not" button with no choice to exit the pop up. I was in the middle of browsing when my laptop was forcibly upgraded. Just boom, upgrade is happening now. So many who were forced to Win10 through bullying are now being bullied again. Personally I would love to upgrade some of my hardware to Win10 just because, but these kinds of business practices are stirring a certain amount of stubborn "Never" sentiment. And I have honestly been rooting for 10 to become a reasonable product

 

[Audioaficionado]

I have effectively blocked all updates. It nags me, but it doesn't force it. I'm stopped at just before the Craters update lol. If I allow the cratered update, it will undo all my protective settings.

 

[Alaric]

lastly what is new about having hardware requirements for software?

It isn't the requirements, it's the underhanded tactics. M$ did their damndest to shove W10 on machines, then two years later (long after the rollback period) decides those machines aren't sufficient. It's the same OS. It isn't an upgrade to a new OS that you can opt out of. I have a $140 copy of W10 Pro. When they decide that my hardware isn't "good enough" that $140 goes in the toilet. That will engender a level of pissed off I usually reserve for ex wives and a certain political party.

 

[c627627]

First they tricked people into upgrading to Windows 10 by having the Close X button on Windows 7/8 mean "YES UPGRADE TO WIN10" and they are now cutting off those same PCs from getting new features just two years after having tricked them into upgrading to Win 10...

lol no, it was the "download but upgrade later" button.

 

[Audioaficionado]

They haven't changed mine yet and now they never will. That new CEO of theirs doesn't believe in user choice. He's using the Apple model.

 

[DaveB]

What happened to the good old "get it right BEFORE the product goes to sale"

Looking at your sig, did AMD and Asus get it right before Ryzen 7 and the Asus X370 boards went for sale? Having been dere, done dat, the answer was no. For quite a while, especially with software code, the methodology is get it out the door with known and unknown issues, and then send out fixes, updates, service packs as necessary.

 

[Kenrou]

Looking at your sig, did AMD and Asus get it right before Ryzen 7 and the Asus X370 boards went for sale? Having been dere, done dat, the answer was no. For quite a while, especially with software code, the methodology is get it out the door with known and unknown issues, and then send out fixes, updates, service packs as necessary.

I understand your point but Hardware can be fixed or replaced fairly easily (and so far i have had zero issues with my x370), an entire OS is infinitely more complicated to get right as M$ is proving right now. Everyone understands that there will always be issues, we're fairly used to it, but with Win10 it seems like every new patch or service pack brings new problems and not really fixing the old ones or the fixes themselves cause more issues. We have never had a Windows version with quite so many problems have we ?

IMHO methodology needs to change. Unknown issues is one thing but you roll something out that you know it's going to cause problems and you don't even attempt a fix before hand is asking for complaints and bad reviews. QQ stock plummeting and recalls. Don't set a timeline, get it right as most as humanly possible before putting it up for sale regardless of how long it takes

 

[wagex]

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in all seriousness every pc at work and home that had windows 7 on it and had that update window pop up... still has windows 7. i never did anything fancy not even blocking the updates over the network. there was one pc that we clicked download and upgrade later... (it still pops up to upgrade after) and they clicked X after that but when it was time for windows updates whoops win10.

also the only people that i personally know that got pushed the update were not very computer savvy and probably mistakenly hit the download now upgrade later button. then again you could also go right back to windows 7... and still can... just give windows 10 a 1 star rating when it asks how you like it so far after the free upgrade. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4027936/windows-go-back-to-windows-7-or-windows-81

that option has been there since day 1

also for those of you who are late to the game you can still get windows 10 for free if you use the accessibility tools.

also windows still cant phone home on any of my home / work networks anymore i do indeed have all windows telemetry blocked at a network level, we can get updates but it cant tell microsoft about all the porn i watch, because i bet they are interested in that.

 

[Alaric]

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That would be a matter of opinion. Windows 10 doesn't meet my particular needs so it's useless to me. I have it in a dual boot only because I paid for it so I may as well. I haven't used it in months. It's hardly "the best OS ever" for me if I'm not using it. I don't understand why so many W10 users take it personally when some folks opt out of what we see as a kludge with limited benefits. That, and I just don't trust it. M$ could make my hardware "obsolete" for W10 next, and in fact at one time planned just that. They caved to pressure and included Skylake chips, but it wasn't their first choice. https://www.google.com/search?clien...Skylake+CPUs&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

And c627627's post was a snip from an article I also read. Accusing him of making stuff up is a little harsh.

 

[wagex]

That would be a matter of opinion. Windows 10 doesn't meet my particular needs so it's useless to me. I have it in a dual boot only because I paid for it so I may as well. I haven't used it in months. It's hardly "the best OS ever" for me if I'm not using it. I don't understand why so many W10 users take it personally when some folks opt out of what we see as a kludge with limited benefits. That, and I just don't trust it. M$ could make my hardware "obsolete" for W10 next, and in fact at one time planned just that. They caved to pressure and included Skylake chips, but it wasn't their first choice. https://www.google.com/search?clien...Skylake+CPUs&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

lol i was being sarcastic and over exaggerating it like many others around here

hey if its not the best thing for you particularly cool with me but i dont understand why this is just a big M$ bashing thread, everything ive seen about the forced can simply be put down to user error, there is no evidence to support that m$ forced the update even if you clicked the X, i want someone to disassemble the code and show me lol.

i see it all the time "ugh my computer just died idk how *just installed all kinds of spyware ridden software*"
"idk how that got there *look at browser history see all kinds of shady pron sites*"
"this bad thing just happened *something that has slowly been happening over time but person just noticed it because it got really bad*"


someone has to stick up for win10 amongst all the bashing it gets all the time for the most ridiculous stuff. oh no it doesnt make me toast in the morning? 1/5 stars.

p.s. if you have a microphone cortana is pretty handy.

 

[Alaric]

If someone wants to use W10, more power to them. This became the thread for criticizing W10 because the "other" W10 thread was turned in to a love fest for the OS where no bad things were allowed to be posted. We needed somewhere else to go and this turned out to be it. Whether or not M$ can be considered to have "forced" W10 on anyone, they were underhanded and took advantage of people with limited knowledge/abilities (most users). The folks here are a little above average where those things are concerned and not a fair comparison, and several of us still had issues with it. The fact that M$ is still pulling shenanigans doesn't help their case, either.

meone has to stick up for win10 amongst all the bashing it gets all the time

Why? If M$ can't properly defend their actions it seems a little bashing is in order.

 

[wagex]

If someone wants to use W10, more power to them. This became the thread for criticizing W10 because the "other" W10 thread was turned in to a love fest for the OS where no bad things were allowed to be posted. We needed somewhere else to go and this turned out to be it. Whether or not M$ can be considered to have "forced" W10 on anyone, they were underhanded and took advantage of people with limited knowledge/abilities (most users). The folks here are a little above average where those things are concerned and not a fair comparison, and several of us still had issues with it. The fact that M$ is still pulling shenanigans doesn't help their case, either.



Why? If M$ can't properly defend their actions it seems a little bashing is in order.

i havent seen them even try to defend their actions so how could they do something properly that they aren't even doing in the first place, what's there to defend?

the reason i blocked windows telemtry network wide was because of the limited bandwidth i had, it was cut down to 600GB/mo and i had to save as much traffic as possible and i go over that easy every month.

i guess what they say, history repeats itself. the cavemen WERE scared of fire.

 

[Alaric]

Seriously? Some people just don't like it. That doesn't make them Luddites, any more than those who would rather use AMD chips over Intel's. Scared is a bit of an overstatement.

 

[wagex]

Seriously? Some people just don't like it. That doesn't make them Luddites, any more than those who would rather use AMD chips over Intel's. Scared is a bit of an overstatement.

the premise of this thread is that people are worried that m$ is spying on them and downloading their soul to sell to the devil lol, how is that not being scared.

people who prefer amd over intel have a valid excuse, they are cheaper... something that's actually true.

 

[c627627]

i do indeed have all windows telemetry blocked at a network level.

But in the real world, Microsoft re-instates telemetry on every PC with every major new Windows 10 build, of which there are at least two every year. So unless people re-apply Telemetry blocking *after every single major build update* - every major modification they made, and not just Telemetry blocking - is removed and privacy invading Microsoft defaults are set up on your PC again.

 

[wagex]

But in the real world, Microsoft re-instates telemetry on every PC with every major new build, of which there are at least two every year. So people re-apply Telemetry blocking *after every single major build update* - every modification they made, and not just Telemetry blocking - is removed and privacy invading Microsoft defaults are set up on your PC again.

i mean its blocked at a network level nothing on the pc is doing it at all, my router takes the traffic and shuts that stuff down. they can update all they want still doesnt effect my router, unless they change the url's it reports to, but my router updates its url list weekly so it wont last long if they do.

 

[knoober]

Believe me or not, but I had a forced update to Win10. I can understand if you would like to think user error, but the only way for a user to avoid the notification I received would ha e been a hard shutdown. No I cant disassemble the code and show you, sorry. Also discount viruses and malware because I was working on a nearly fresh install. You'll just have to take my word... M$ removed the ability to cancel the update and then pushed it abruptly with 0 warning. O e minute web browsing, then boom! Update in progress. I even let it stay for a couple weeks in order to give it a chance, and even more invasive BS followed. I really want to like Win10, but I dont think M$ wants me to. As a consumer M$ has given me a kick to the stones in a major way 2x now. 1x with an OS I legitimately paid for and another with a "freebie" that I did everything reasonable to refuse. Just waiting for that third punt to write them off the books for good.... Not that they care I guess.

 

[wagex]

Believe me or not, but I had a forced update to Win10. I can understand if you would like to think user error, but the only way for a user to avoid the notification I received would ha e been a hard shutdown. No I cant disassemble the code and show you, sorry. Also discount viruses and malware because I was working on a nearly fresh install. You'll just have to take my word... M$ removed the ability to cancel the update and then pushed it abruptly with 0 warning. O e minute web browsing, then boom! Update in progress. I even let it stay for a couple weeks in order to give it a chance, and even more invasive BS followed. I really want to like Win10, but I dont think M$ wants me to. As a consumer M$ has given me a kick to the stones in a major way 2x now. 1x with an OS I legitimately paid for and another with a "freebie" that I did everything reasonable to refuse. Just waiting for that third punt to write them off the books for good.... Not that they care I guess.

you can still use your windows 7 serial to install windows 7.... and when you got your "forced" upgrade you could have easily reverted back to 7 they give you the option without losing any files. i think they gave what like 10 days to revert back to how it was before the upgrade?

even without the chance of being able to go back, you should really be keeping backups. at any given time i can revert my pc back to how it was how i originally had it configured, basic apps and stuff already installed in a matter of 30 minutes.

next think you know hdd dies its seagates fault you didnt have a backup?

what are they invading!? where is the proof they are looking through your files!? if there is proof i want to see it as a user of win10.

what im seeing... *windows sends a couple packets of data about how the os is running* "omg they are stealing my personal data!!!" with no facts to base this on.

 

[knoober]

I had a backup. It wasnt a big deal. Aside from the fact that I said "no I dont want Win10" like every time and still had it forcibly installed.

As for the few packets you mentioned, I guess I just think I should have a choice about those also. The point was never really what the what the info was but the "no choice" factor. They helped themselves to my laptop and whatever info they chose. I guess I should just feel lucky they stopped at some measly telemetry data because they sure didnt stop when I said "no".

 

[wagex]

I had a backup. It wasnt a big deal. Aside from the fact that I said "no I dont want Win10" like every time and still had it forcibly installed.

As for the few packets you mentioned, I guess I just think I should have a choice about those also. The point was never really what the what the info was but the "no choice" factor. They helped themselves to my laptop and whatever info they chose. I guess I should just feel lucky they stopped at some measly telemetry data because they sure didnt stop when I said "no".

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3078...pgrades-by-killing-the-reschedule-option.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3074...dows-10-upgrade-you-mistakenly-agreed-to.html

guess you guys were right, il give you that. i should have read more. funny that our entire office staff of 50+ year old people still werent bamboozled. but i guess it did happen. maybe we were just lucky and didnt recieve certain updates or something.

none the less you still had 30 days or what ever to revert back i dont see the big deal. even if you didnt want it its a minor set back to wait the hour for it to revert back compared to the meaningless troubleshooting we as pc users do on a daily / weekly basis.

also if you had a backup and hated win10 so bad why didnt you just go back. this is the biggest thing ok so they gave you a free upgrade and you dont like it even though you didnt want it none the less you could go right back super easy and quick.

its like owning a bugatti veyron the company saying hey we transfered all your stuff to this new car a bugatti chiron if you dont like it you can have your old car back at any time.

also you agreed do something in win7's eula at some point that probably allowed them to do what they did. either way idk just doesnt make much sense to me why its such a big deal.