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hitechjb1 said:
HTT = 318 MHz
CPU = 2862 MHz (with x9)

memory_HTT_ratio = 1:1, memory = CPU / 9 = 318 MHz, efficiency = 81%
memory_HTT_ratio = 9:10, memory = CPU / 10 = 286 MHz, efficiency = 85%
memory_HTT_ratio = 5:6, memory = CPU / 11 = 260 MHz, efficiency = 90%
etc

Possible explanation:

When the CPU is clocked faster (consuming faster), the memory controller is not fast enough to keep pace and provide enough data I/O with the L2 cache running in sync with the processor clock, hence resulting in more cache wait states relative to the memory controller and in turn lower efficiency (the actual bandwidth is still higher, but efficiency which is bandwidth per memory clock is reduced).

Will the revision E0 correct/improve this?

E0 will probably be the same,since its the DDR memory bus limitation and not the on-die memory controller.

try running ram latency test or benchies,you'll notice faster and more demending the cpu/memory controller runs the higher DDR memory bus latency and the ram latency are trying to cope... btw,nice OC ;)
 
How to determine an upper limit for CPU and memory

Given a CPU and memory modules, a common question is how to determine an upper limit for them so as to guide the overclocking and fine tunning process. By just booting into Windows or OS, and running all kinds of testing and benchmarking programs such as Sandra, Everest, SuperPI, 3DMark01/03, Prime95, ..., if the runs fail, it may well be due to heat stress of the CPU, OS, drivers, chipset, bus contention, memory bandwidth and latency limitation, ... and hence the full potential or some better upper bound for the CPU and memory cannot be determined.

Experiment

Using the DFI LP UT Ultra-D motherboard, Winchester 3000+, the G. Skill PC4400 Le, memtest86 was used to determine an upper limit of the CPU and memory. Results are shown.

For each memtest run, the CPU frequency, memory frequency, memory timing, CPU and memory voltages are set in the bios. Then run memtest to check for pass and failure. Depending on pass or failure, frequency(ies), timing, voltage(s), particular setting(s) are adjusted accordingly to improve the objectives.

By doing these steps and gradually adjusting frequencies, voltages, timing, settings, ..., a least upper limit for the CPU and memory was found.

It was able to boot into memtest86 at 3006 GHz :), but failed.

But it passed memtest86 at
- 2970 MHz for the Winchester 3000+ at 1.62 V
- 330 MHz for the G. Skill 4400 LE at 2.8 V, 3-5-5-10 1T

Also memory is not yet limited, whereas the CPU is, I determined.

By doing the above test, the previous results (listed in the first page of this thread) were improved.


This is an upper bound, it does not mean in Windows, all kinds of programs will pass and be able to run at that level of frequency and voltage, but it gives a guideline for overclocking and testing for actual programs and benchmarks.

E.g.
Memtest86 boot at 3006 MHz 1.65 V, memory 334 MHz 3-5-5-10 1T 2.8 V
Memtest86 pass at 2970 MHz 1.62 V, memory 330 MHz 3-5-5-10 1T 2.8 V
Windows XP boot at 2.95 GHz 1.60 V
Sandra CPU run at 2.94 GHz 1.60 V
SuperPI run at 2.90 GHz 1.60 V, memory 3-5-5-10 1T 2.8 V
3DMark01 run at 2.85 GHz 1.55 V, memory 317 MHz 2.5-4-4-8 1T 2.8 V, SuperPI 1M 30 sec
Prime95 run stably at 2.73 GHz 1.50-1.52 V, memory 303 MHz 2.5-3-3-7 1T 2.8 V, 23 C idle, 38 C load (11+ hours, user aborted)
...

Rule of thumbs, Prime95 is usually around 200-300 MHz below post/bios/memtest boot, 200 MHz below Windows boot.


Screen shots are shown in the next few posts.
 
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Booted into memtest86 at 3006 MHz :)

nf4_939_lpud_3006MHz_b.JPG


Failed memtest86 at 3006 MHz

nf4_939_lpud_3006MHz_failmemtest_b.JPG
 
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Passed memtest86 at 2970 MHz CPU 1.6 V, 330 MHz 10-5-5-3 1T memory 2.8 V (passed 2 rounds)

nf4_939_lpud_2970MHz_passmemtest1_b.JPG



Running 3rd round

nf4_939_lpud_2970MHz_passmemtest2_b.JPG
 
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Booted into Windows at 2.95 GHz, memory 328 MHz 10-5-5-3 1T, ...

nf4_939_lpud_cbbhd_328x9_2.95G_everest_read.JPG



Sandra CPU at 2.94 GHz, integer score 13528 MIPS

nf4_939_lpud_cbbhd_327x9_2.94G_sandra_everest_read.JPG



SuperPI at 2.90 MHz

nf4_939_lpud_cbbhd_322x9_2.90G_superpi_sandra.JPG



3DMark01 and SuperPI 1M 30 sec at 2.85 GHz

nf4_939_lpud_cbbhd_317x9_2.85G_superpi_3dmark01_sandra.JPG



Prime95 tested stably at 2.73 GHz for 11+ hours. Temperature 23 C idle, 38 load (user aborted)

nf4_939_lpud_cbbhd_303x9_prime95_3dmark01_sandra.JPG
 
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O_O

My jaw literally hit the floor seeing that.

Don't like that 5-5-3, but can't argue with the 328mhz memory speed... :drool:
 
damn thats impressive hitechjb1....

you are seriously a good tweaker with luck!! most people crys the tccd wont go past 300MHz FSB and stuff

kudos!
 
PhobMX said:
damn thats impressive hitechjb1....

you are seriously a good tweaker with luck!! most people crys the tccd wont go past 300MHz FSB and stuff

kudos!

Thanks.

I am surprised to get such luck and results. I was expecting 2.7 GHz CPU and 300 MHz memory. Both CPU and memory were in new retail package, without any testing and picking. I picked that particular CPU because it was the cheapest among the vendors.
 
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awesome...congrats dude, anyway im gonna get mine diz week a64 3000+dfi ut nf4 ultraD+corsair xlpro cl2 512x2 pc3200...i hoping u can tell me what 2 do with it 2 get nice n stable system.thanks i let u know later
 
myk3dude said:
awesome...congrats dude, anyway im gonna get mine diz week a64 3000+dfi ut nf4 ultraD+corsair xlpro cl2 512x2 pc3200...i hoping u can tell me what 2 do with it 2 get nice n stable system.thanks i let u know later

Welcome to the forums.

After you get all your stuffs, fire it up. Start a thread so you can show the results, and if needed ask questions. Many of us here would be more than happy to help and/or learn from you.
 
"Memory bus to 300 MHz 2.5-3-3-7 1T (with memory_HTT_ratio 1:1), 2.8 V"


my god I am jealous! you have the world best winchester overclock and ondie controller! Mines a week 37 and I can only do like 250x9=2.25 stable, 262x9 3dmarkable and pass superPI a small % of the time. If I run my ram async I can 3dmark up to 2.6 but its not 100% stable. I cant even load windows at 2.7GHz! I really hope Venice starts where the best winchesters leave meaning I hope the worst Venice is capable of 2.7GHz 100% stable! would I be sane to assume a good Venice could hit 300x10 air cooled 1:1 2.5-3-3-7 with gskill? That is my goal but ill need alot of luck getting such a good Venice, ram and ondie controller. With such a good winchester you have, there is zero need for you to sidegrade to Venice.
 
well his cpu isnt completely stable past 2.73GHz, sure he can bench 3dmark at perhaps 2.85GHz but it may crash sometimes as do games. I 3dmark at 262x9=2.36 but my gaming clocks are only 250x9=2.25GHz. I am hoping when I go Venice it is 100% stable at 290x10 or better and 3dmarkable at 300x10 or better.
 
hitechjb1,

I have a few rather trivial question I hope you would clear up.

1.Did you stop when you errored out after test #1 or did you continue beyond test #8? I have found that by letting memtest run beyond the point of failure increased my FSB by about 8MHz. I know thats not a lot but hey :)

2.You seem to be using the older version of Memtest, I'm curious if you would get the same results with the latest version.

Impressive results to say the least!

PS*Are you still using the 20 pin, 350W PSU?
 
I have a question some may find odd, what are the chances of installing Windows 9x/Me on this board? I briefly looked at nVidia's site and only 2000/XP drivers are there, does giving up Socket A mean giving up having Windows 9x/Me installed as a secondary OS for rare few who may need them in addition to XP?
 
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