Replaced motherboard, still having problems

smoth · 11-20-09, 04:56 PM

I am trying to fix an older system

old configuration
amd x2 4000+ (AM2)
asus m2n32sli deluxe
7900GTX
segate 7200.10 (320gb)
4x1gb ddr2 800
FSP 600watt

I have no spare hardware to test against, so please keep that in mind
The computer was failing to boot such that when powered up, it would turn itself off within a few seconds with any hardware configuration. Having had this problem before I went to get a new motherboard (old one was out of waranty and Asus was unsympathetic even though it had died 2 other times on me). So I just ordered the Asus M3A78-EM thinking that it should solve my problem. Just got it and put everything back together. Now it will turn on and remain on, but I am not getting any picture from either the 7900gtx or the onboard graphics.

Any ideas?

JLK03F150 · 11-20-09, 05:08 PM

First, just try clearing the CMOS & using one piece of RAM. Many mobos (and some IMC CPUs) have issues with 4 sticks.

If that doesn't work try a barebone out of the case setup. Mobo on an insulated surface with one piece of RAM, CPU & cooler, monitor connected to onboard video and power supply connected as needed. Once set like this, turn the PSU off (or unplug it), then clear the CMOS, return the jumper, power on the PSU & try to boot. See if you get a display & if you can enter BIOS.

smoth · 11-20-09, 11:03 PM

Tried both, but no luck.

OnDborder · 11-21-09, 12:47 AM

Seeing that you don't have any spare parts to troubleshoot with...
You tried using one stick of ram, different sticks one at a time.. So it's probably not the ram.
New motherboard, you had 2 malfunction(or something else defective) before.
You can test the powersupply with a digitalmultimeter to eliminate that as the problem.
The cpu you really can't "test" unless you can find another motherboard for testing. Maybe a computer repair shop?
Same with the graphics card. Maybe shop around to find a PCI video card. I say PCI because these are priceless for troubleshooting and repairing bad videocard bios flash's..

Flurp · 11-21-09, 12:52 AM

You tried using all 4 sticks of ram? swapping them all out?

I'd think it's probably the ram...

smoth · 11-21-09, 11:01 AM

I have tried every configuration of memory and using both the 7900gtx and onboard, but sitll nothing.

GrimX9 · 11-21-09, 11:14 AM

Possibly the power supply? I would go out and buy a cheap multimeter for 5 bucks, and test it. Take a paper clip, and bend it into a "U" shape, and insert one end into the green connector, and the other into a nearby adjacent black connector. That shorts out the "PSU Enable" and starts the power supply. Go through and with the black probe connected to a black connector, test every connection, being careful not to have the probes touch each other.

smoth · 11-21-09, 02:51 PM

All PSU voltages are good.

Flurp · 11-21-09, 10:01 PM

I still stand by that your ram is crapt out on you

smoth · 11-22-09, 11:34 AM

all four sticks? I think that if that were the case, there would have to be some other problem to cause that, would there not?

JLK03F150 · 11-22-09, 11:58 AM

Do you have a speaker connected to the case speaker header so you can hear beep codes? Can you pull out all the ram & get a 'memory bad or missing' beep code?

smoth · 11-22-09, 12:12 PM

I took out all the memory and got the memory beep. It seems very unlikely that all of the sticks suddenly went bad, unless the old motherboard fried them all.

JLK03F150 · 11-22-09, 12:14 PM

Do you get the same beep with a piece of ram installed, or do you just get the single POST Passed beep?

smoth · 11-22-09, 01:19 PM

I dont get anything.

JLK03F150 · 11-22-09, 01:44 PM

That's weird.

You don't have any IDE or SATA devices connected, right?

smoth · 11-22-09, 01:54 PM

All I have connected is the cpu and memory and applicable power.

JLK03F150 · 11-22-09, 01:59 PM

Have you tried ram stick 1 in slot 1, then slot 2, then 3... ram stick 2 in in slot 1, then 2, etc. Having 4 dead sticks would be really rare.

It's really hard to tell if your RAM is bad or if the mobo is DOA without being able to test some different RAM.

tinymouse2 · 11-22-09, 02:14 PM

My motherboard wouldn't do anything unless it had a GPU attached. Just a possibility. Is the RAM actually seated properly? (I almost RMA'd my first motherboard because I was being to gentle with the RAM... VERY embarrassing times ;_

smoth · 11-22-09, 02:52 PM

I have tried every stick in every slot. I was also thinking that it would be very unlikely unless my old motherboard which would not even keep the system running for more than a few seconds fried them all. Again, though, something I cant test. This is the only system I have that runs ddr2 memory.

It has onboard graphics, but I have tried it with and without my card, but no difference.

tinymouse2 · 11-22-09, 03:26 PM

So do you actually get anything appearing on-screen? Like can you access the bios? You could always buy some slow DDR2 RAM. Costs about 10 quid for some of the cheap stuff, it'll do the job. (20 bucks or so in America)

11-20-09, 04:56 PM	Thread Starter #1
smoth Member Join Date: Jul 2009	Replaced motherboard, still having problems I am trying to fix an older system old configuration amd x2 4000+ (AM2) asus m2n32sli deluxe 7900GTX segate 7200.10 (320gb) 4x1gb ddr2 800 FSP 600watt I have no spare hardware to test against, so please keep that in mind The computer was failing to boot such that when powered up, it would turn itself off within a few seconds with any hardware configuration. Having had this problem before I went to get a new motherboard (old one was out of waranty and Asus was unsympathetic even though it had died 2 other times on me). So I just ordered the Asus M3A78-EM thinking that it should solve my problem. Just got it and put everything back together. Now it will turn on and remain on, but I am not getting any picture from either the 7900gtx or the onboard graphics. Any ideas?
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11-20-09, 05:08 PM	#2
JLK03F150 Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA	First, just try clearing the CMOS & using one piece of RAM. Many mobos (and some IMC CPUs) have issues with 4 sticks. If that doesn't work try a barebone out of the case setup. Mobo on an insulated surface with one piece of RAM, CPU & cooler, monitor connected to onboard video and power supply connected as needed. Once set like this, turn the PSU off (or unplug it), then clear the CMOS, return the jumper, power on the PSU & try to boot. See if you get a display & if you can enter BIOS. __________________ Q9650, Rampage Formula X48, 4x1GB G.Skill PC2-6400 (D9GMH), HD 6950, 2x 64GB SandForce 1222 SSD RAID 0, BFG LS1000, Gamer X6800, AW9D-Max i975X, 4x2GB G.Skill PC2-8000, GTX 650, 240GB Intel 335 SSD, 1TB WD Black, Seasonic S12-650W, Lightroom4 E8600, nvidia e-7150 i630, 2x2GB Mushkin PC2-8500, HD 4650, 500GB WD Blue, Antec 380W, HTPC What computer do you have? And please don't say a white one. - Sheldon Cooper icebob: cpu on water, cards air, me whiskey! Last edited by JLK03F150; 11-20-09 at 05:16 PM.
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11-20-09, 11:03 PM	Thread Starter #3
smoth Member Join Date: Jul 2009	Tried both, but no luck.
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11-21-09, 12:47 AM	#4
OnDborder Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: HOT 'n Arizona	Seeing that you don't have any spare parts to troubleshoot with... You tried using one stick of ram, different sticks one at a time.. So it's probably not the ram. New motherboard, you had 2 malfunction(or something else defective) before. You can test the powersupply with a digitalmultimeter to eliminate that as the problem. The cpu you really can't "test" unless you can find another motherboard for testing. Maybe a computer repair shop? Same with the graphics card. Maybe shop around to find a PCI video card. I say PCI because these are priceless for troubleshooting and repairing bad videocard bios flash's.. __________________ You're a plague and we are the cure. ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/2600k......MSI p67a-GD55/2600k CORSAIR Vengeance 16gb.......4gigZ Corsair 7970'z crossfire ....................Sapph 7870 crossfired X-Fi Elite Pro.........................H2O cooling 600gb Raptor/256ssd3..... .......40 Kingston ssd Siverstone 1500wt'r.....................Corsair1000HX MyHeat
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11-21-09, 12:52 AM	#5
Flurp Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Washington	You tried using all 4 sticks of ram? swapping them all out? I'd think it's probably the ram...
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11-21-09, 11:01 AM	Thread Starter #6
smoth Member Join Date: Jul 2009	I have tried every configuration of memory and using both the 7900gtx and onboard, but sitll nothing.
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11-21-09, 11:14 AM	#7
GrimX9 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Michigan, USA	Possibly the power supply? I would go out and buy a cheap multimeter for 5 bucks, and test it. Take a paper clip, and bend it into a "U" shape, and insert one end into the green connector, and the other into a nearby adjacent black connector. That shorts out the "PSU Enable" and starts the power supply. Go through and with the black probe connected to a black connector, test every connection, being careful not to have the probes touch each other. __________________ Phenom II X2 3.9Ghz\|\|G.SKILL 1066 4GB\|\|M4A78+\|\|9800GT\|\|WD Black 640GB 7200RPM\|\|OCZ StealthXStream 700W\|\|Dark Knight CPU cooler "Welcome. Welcome, to City 17." - Robert Culp, August 16, 1930 - March 24, 2010
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11-21-09, 02:51 PM	Thread Starter #8
smoth Member Join Date: Jul 2009	All PSU voltages are good.
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11-21-09, 10:01 PM	#9
Flurp Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Washington	I still stand by that your ram is crapt out on you
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11-22-09, 11:34 AM	Thread Starter #10
smoth Member Join Date: Jul 2009	all four sticks? I think that if that were the case, there would have to be some other problem to cause that, would there not?
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11-22-09, 11:58 AM	#11
JLK03F150 Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA	Do you have a speaker connected to the case speaker header so you can hear beep codes? Can you pull out all the ram & get a 'memory bad or missing' beep code? __________________ Q9650, Rampage Formula X48, 4x1GB G.Skill PC2-6400 (D9GMH), HD 6950, 2x 64GB SandForce 1222 SSD RAID 0, BFG LS1000, Gamer X6800, AW9D-Max i975X, 4x2GB G.Skill PC2-8000, GTX 650, 240GB Intel 335 SSD, 1TB WD Black, Seasonic S12-650W, Lightroom4 E8600, nvidia e-7150 i630, 2x2GB Mushkin PC2-8500, HD 4650, 500GB WD Blue, Antec 380W, HTPC What computer do you have? And please don't say a white one. - Sheldon Cooper icebob: cpu on water, cards air, me whiskey!
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11-22-09, 12:12 PM	Thread Starter #12
smoth Member Join Date: Jul 2009	I took out all the memory and got the memory beep. It seems very unlikely that all of the sticks suddenly went bad, unless the old motherboard fried them all.
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11-22-09, 12:14 PM	#13
JLK03F150 Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA	Do you get the same beep with a piece of ram installed, or do you just get the single POST Passed beep? __________________ Q9650, Rampage Formula X48, 4x1GB G.Skill PC2-6400 (D9GMH), HD 6950, 2x 64GB SandForce 1222 SSD RAID 0, BFG LS1000, Gamer X6800, AW9D-Max i975X, 4x2GB G.Skill PC2-8000, GTX 650, 240GB Intel 335 SSD, 1TB WD Black, Seasonic S12-650W, Lightroom4 E8600, nvidia e-7150 i630, 2x2GB Mushkin PC2-8500, HD 4650, 500GB WD Blue, Antec 380W, HTPC What computer do you have? And please don't say a white one. - Sheldon Cooper icebob: cpu on water, cards air, me whiskey!
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11-22-09, 01:19 PM	Thread Starter #14
smoth Member Join Date: Jul 2009	I dont get anything.
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11-22-09, 01:44 PM	#15
JLK03F150 Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA	That's weird. You don't have any IDE or SATA devices connected, right? __________________ Q9650, Rampage Formula X48, 4x1GB G.Skill PC2-6400 (D9GMH), HD 6950, 2x 64GB SandForce 1222 SSD RAID 0, BFG LS1000, Gamer X6800, AW9D-Max i975X, 4x2GB G.Skill PC2-8000, GTX 650, 240GB Intel 335 SSD, 1TB WD Black, Seasonic S12-650W, Lightroom4 E8600, nvidia e-7150 i630, 2x2GB Mushkin PC2-8500, HD 4650, 500GB WD Blue, Antec 380W, HTPC What computer do you have? And please don't say a white one. - Sheldon Cooper icebob: cpu on water, cards air, me whiskey!
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11-22-09, 01:54 PM	Thread Starter #16
smoth Member Join Date: Jul 2009	All I have connected is the cpu and memory and applicable power.
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11-22-09, 01:59 PM	#17
JLK03F150 Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA	Have you tried ram stick 1 in slot 1, then slot 2, then 3... ram stick 2 in in slot 1, then 2, etc. Having 4 dead sticks would be really rare. It's really hard to tell if your RAM is bad or if the mobo is DOA without being able to test some different RAM. __________________ Q9650, Rampage Formula X48, 4x1GB G.Skill PC2-6400 (D9GMH), HD 6950, 2x 64GB SandForce 1222 SSD RAID 0, BFG LS1000, Gamer X6800, AW9D-Max i975X, 4x2GB G.Skill PC2-8000, GTX 650, 240GB Intel 335 SSD, 1TB WD Black, Seasonic S12-650W, Lightroom4 E8600, nvidia e-7150 i630, 2x2GB Mushkin PC2-8500, HD 4650, 500GB WD Blue, Antec 380W, HTPC What computer do you have? And please don't say a white one. - Sheldon Cooper icebob: cpu on water, cards air, me whiskey!
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11-22-09, 02:14 PM	#18
tinymouse2 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Surrey, England	My motherboard wouldn't do anything unless it had a GPU attached. Just a possibility. Is the RAM actually seated properly? (I almost RMA'd my first motherboard because I was being to gentle with the RAM... VERY embarrassing times ;_
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11-22-09, 02:52 PM	Thread Starter #19
smoth Member Join Date: Jul 2009	I have tried every stick in every slot. I was also thinking that it would be very unlikely unless my old motherboard which would not even keep the system running for more than a few seconds fried them all. Again, though, something I cant test. This is the only system I have that runs ddr2 memory. It has onboard graphics, but I have tried it with and without my card, but no difference.
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11-22-09, 03:26 PM	#20
tinymouse2 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Surrey, England	So do you actually get anything appearing on-screen? Like can you access the bios? You could always buy some slow DDR2 RAM. Costs about 10 quid for some of the cheap stuff, it'll do the job. (20 bucks or so in America)
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