Athlon XP Barton, Athlon XP-M Barton

[alexcmia]

Forgive me if this is a wrong place to post, I'm a complete OC newb.


First things first, let's take Athlon XP Barton, what are the difference between model numbers, are the locked clock speed is all that is different between them? What about FSB speed?


Now, I have this Gigabyte GA-7NNXP board. It is based on NVIDIA nForce Ultra 400 chipset. Which is simply excellent for me because of all the toys it has. I want to run this board with a processor at XP 3200+ or better, and with 3 gigs of PC-3200. This setup should last me 5 years.

(I had XP 2400+ Thoroughbred for the last 7 years or so, and even today it's plenty for me)

Thing is 3200+ barton is expensive, thus I want to unlock the multiplier and use that CPU at 3200+. Now I also hear the story of XP-M.

My second question is if I go XP-M route, how will the whole thing work? Will it register as 3200+ during POST if I set multiplier using switches, or will I have to run something in Windows XP? Also, will XP-M work on my board?

In Gigabyte FAQ it says they don't support it, but you never know.


And my final question is, on air, how far can I overclock for a stable system that will last me 5+ years without a single error?




**edit.. Just found that this board does support XP-M. Thus now the question is will I have to run anything from Windows XP?

SPEC:

AMD Athlon XP-M [email protected](12.5 x 200FSB, 1.775V, PRIME95 13Hour passed)
GIGABYTE 7NNXP
CORSAIR PC3200 TwinX1024-3200XL Pro
Koolance 650BU(CPU, VGA, NORTH jackets)
Antec True430
WD Raptor 36G x 2, HITACHI 7K250 80G x 2, IBM Deskstar 60G x 1

 

[JoT]

Wow, this is like going back in time.

Why don't you go up to newer hardware, rather than buy ancient AMD tech? I would STRONGLY advise that you invest in new hardware, rather than overclock that old stuff. I've burned up too many Athlon XPs

By the way, Welcome to the Forums! Glad to have you here

 

[alexcmia]

Heya, I don't want to upgrade to new hardware, too much upgrading to do, $1000+ worth, I neither want it nor need it. Instead I want to have a good Athlon XP system. So if you could give me some sort of guidance here, I would greatly appreciate.

 

[JoT]

Actually, $1000+ is way off for a new system. For a dual core (big benefits) that is similar to yours:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103289 - 2.8GHz Dual Core
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131330 - AM2 mobo (onboard video, and if you want powerful video, it has a PCI-Express port)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104953 - 400W PSU (yes, it has PCI-E)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104072 - 2GB stick of DDR2 1066 (you can put up to 8GB in that mobo)

All the new stuff for a pittance: $194.97 plus shipping

And the prices I was seeing for 3200+ Bartons was around $170 + shipping... So you get a faster system, unoverclocked, with a dual core processor rather than single, as well as getting in touch with modern times.

Thought you might like to see that

Edit: Oops, I put the 2.7GHz proc into the cart instead of the 2.8GHz. Add $4 to the total

 

[Archer0915]

2.4-2.6 Ghz with really, really good air cooling. other than that about 2.3

 

[c627627]

First things first, let's take Athlon XP Barton, what are the difference between model numbers, are the locked clock speed is all that is different between them? What about FSB speed?

I made the attachment below just for you That's how we do things for new members, welcome to the forums.

My second question is if I go XP-M route, how will the whole thing work? Will it register as 3200+ during POST if I set multiplier using switches, or will I have to run something in Windows XP? Also, will XP-M work on my board?

Athlon XP mobile Barton works wherever desktop Barton works, you just have to set the multiplier manually in BIOS.

And my final question is, on air, how far can I overclock for a stable system that will last me 5+ years without a single error?

With excellent power supply and a really good heatsink, 2.4GHz-2.6 GHz.

Will I have to run anything from Windows XP?

Athlon XP mobile Barton has unlocked multiplier, you set the FSB and multiplier in BIOS and it does whatever desktop Barton does.

Good luck.
_____________________
AMD Athlon XP 2500+ AXMH 2500 FQQ4C
IQYHA 0348 SPMW
2 x 512MB Centon PC3200 (Samsung chips) @ 9 4 4 3
[200] FSB x 12.5 = 2500 MHz @ 1.87 Vcore with memory frequency at 100% [200 FSB] @ 2.90 Vdimm and 1.6 Vdd
nForce2 Epox 8RDA3+ v2.1, BIOS 07/29/2004
Thermalright SLK-900A with 80x38mm Delta EFB0812HHE fan
Geforce 6800 256MB; Antec SX-835II case ; 500W OCZ StealthXStream OCZ500SXS
Five 80x25mm Case Fans

 

[mbigna]

A pox on all your judgmental houses. There is nothing wrong with someone keeping their socket A rig running. Rather than suggesting that he/she spend more money on stuff, why don't you just answer his/her questions?

alexcmia: Do you already have a CPU for that board? Or, are you looking for one to pop in there. The mobo is a good one, like you say. If you don't already have a CPU, you should be able to find a socket A for cheap. If you have the choice, you should try to find a mobile barton (XP-M). Their multipliers are unlocked by default and they tend to run a bit cooler--most overclock like demons. However, you can use some pin mods to set locked Athlon XP's to different multipliers/FSBs. You can find directions many places on the web--in fact--I think there is a sticky in these forums for pin mods for Athlons. They are fairly easy to perform--most work with a pencil.

By the way--welcome to the forums, alexcmia.

 

[mxthunder]

I had an mobile athlon XP barton core for the last 5 years or so, just finally upgraded it in december to my current rig. I must say it was a waaay over due upgrade and I had no idea how far technology had actually progressed in that amount of time.

That being said, go for it man, althought I cant believe how expensive the parts are for a socket A rig (Barton M CPU) I think i would be fun and you should be able to hit 2.4 with good cooling.

Man I cant believe how many new members are in this thread! Ive never seen either of the two mods before ?

 

[Archer0915]

2.4-2.6 Ghz with really, really good air cooling. other than that about 2.3

I made the attachment below just for you That's how we do things for new members, welcome to the forums.



Athlon XP mobile Barton works wherever desktop Barton works, you just have to set the multiplier manually in BIOS.

With excellent power supply and a really good heatsink, 2.4GHz-2.6 GHz.

Athlon XP mobile Barton has unlocked multiplier, you set the FSB and multiplier in BIOS and it does whatever desktop Barton does.

Good luck.
_____________________
AMD Athlon XP 2500+ AXMH 2500 FQQ4C
IQYHA 0348 SPMW
2 x 512MB Centon PC3200 (Samsung chips) @ 9 4 4 3
[200] FSB x 12.5 = 2500 MHz @ 1.87 Vcore with memory frequency at 100% [200 FSB] @ 2.90 Vdimm and 1.6 Vdd
nForce2 Epox 8RDA3+ v2.1, BIOS 07/29/2004
Thermalright SLK-900A with 80x38mm Delta EFB0812HHE fan
Geforce 6800 256MB; Antec SX-835II case ; 500W OCZ StealthXStream OCZ500SXS
Five 80x25mm Case Fans

A pox on all your judgmental houses. There is nothing wrong with someone keeping their socket A rig running. Rather than suggesting that he/she spend more money on stuff, why don't you just answer his/her questions?

alexcmia: Do you already have a CPU for that board? Or, are you looking for one to pop in there. The mobo is a good one, like you say. If you don't already have a CPU, you should be able to find a socket A for cheap. If you have the choice, you should try to find a mobile barton (XP-M). Their multipliers are unlocked by default and they tend to run a bit cooler--most overclock like demons. However, you can use some pin mods to set locked Athlon XP's to different multipliers/FSBs. You can find directions many places on the web--in fact--I think there is a sticky in these forums for pin mods for Athlons. They are fairly easy to perform--most work with a pencil.

By the way--welcome to the forums, alexcmia.

I had an mobile athlon XP barton core for the last 5 years or so, just finally upgraded it in december to my current rig. I must say it was a waaay over due upgrade and I had no idea how far technology had actually progressed in that amount of time.

That being said, go for it man, althought I cant believe how expensive the parts are for a socket A rig (Barton M CPU) I think i would be fun and you should be able to hit 2.4 with good cooling.

Man I cant believe how many new members are in this thread! Ive never seen either of the two mods before ?

You see most of us answer the question posed not make unsolicited suggestions and welcome

 

[JoT]

I'm sorry that I advise getting up to date, in order to make it last "5 more years". If a little processor upgrade will get what he wants, then maybe he doesn't need an upgrade

 

[c627627]

However, you can use some pin mods to set locked Athlon XP's to different multipliers/FSBs. You can find directions many places on the web--in fact--I think there is a sticky in these forums for pin mods for Athlons. They are fairly easy to perform--most work with a pencil.

Mobile Bartons are multiplier unlocked but as for locked desktop Bartons, they cannot be unlocked. Proof is this thread with over quarter million hits:
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=244237

 

[Archer0915]

I'm sorry that I advise getting up to date, in order to make it last "5 more years". If a little processor upgrade will get what he wants, then maybe he doesn't need an upgrade

Hey I still have one acting as a file server. I agree the OP would be better off with a new system but generally if I see a specific question I give a specific answer. Of course I guess it would be an injustice not to mention a new system.

 

[alexcmia]

Mobile Bartons are multiplier unlocked but as for locked desktop Bartons, they cannot be unlocked.

Ya. Looks like a mobile barton is what I need. If not, then there is a guy on ebay selling unlocked desktop bartons, with guarantee and all. He's from Canada.

I have found a way of buying things like memory and CPU. Instead of memory or CPU, you look for a combo or bundle, or a white box computer. Such a thing will cost dirt cheap, cheaper than the CPU alone by itself. You get that, keep what you need, sell what you don't. It's like getting paid for upgrading your CPU.



Now I have another question, and perhaps it been answered, but I'm so new, I have no idea.

Let's say you have two bartons, one is 333, and the other 400 FSB. Are they different physically inside, or can the 333 run at 400 with no problems if I have PC-3200?



Because there are quite a few XP-M bartons, and all have 266 FSB, and I want my FSB to be 400 or more. Bellow, for which XP-M barton I should be aiming? There are mainstream, desktop replacement, and low voltage models.

Athlon XP-M "Barton" (Mainstream, 45-53 W TDP, Socket A)

* All models support: MMX, SSE, Enhanced 3DNow!

Model Number Frequency L2 Cache FSB 1 Multiplier Voltage Release Date Part Number
Athlon XP-M 2200+ 1667 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 12.5x 1.45 AXMH2200FQQ4C
Athlon XP-M 2400+ 1800 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 13.5x 1.45 AXMH2400FQQ4C
Athlon XP-M 2500+ 1867 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 14x 1.45 AXMH2500FQQ4C
Athlon XP-M 2600+ 2000 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 15x 1.45 AXMG2600FQQ4C
Athlon XP-M 2800+ 2133 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 16x 1.55 AXMJ2800FHQ4C

Athlon XP-M "Barton" (Desktop Replacement, 72 W TDP, Socket A)

* All models support: MMX, SSE, Enhanced 3DNow!

Model Number Frequency L2 Cache FSB 1 Multiplier Voltage Release Date Part Number
Athlon XP-M 2400+ 1800 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 13.5x 1.60 AXMA2400FUT4C
Athlon XP-M 2500+ 1867 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 14x 1.65 2003 AXMA2500FKT4C
Athlon XP-M 2600+ 2000 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 15x 1.65 AXMA2600FKT4C
Athlon XP-M 2800+ 2133 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 16x 1.65 June 7, 2003 AXMA2800FKT4C
Athlon XP-M 3000+ 2200 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 16.5x 1.65 2003 AXMA3000FKT4C

Athlon XP-M "Barton" (Low Voltage, 35 W TDP, Socket A)

* All models support: MMX, SSE, Enhanced 3DNow!

Model Number Frequency L2 Cache FSB 1 Multiplier Voltage Release Date Part Number
Athlon XP-M 2200+ 1667 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 12.5x 1.35 July 13, 2004 AXMD2200FJQ4C
Athlon XP-M 2400+ 1800 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 13.5x 1.35 AXMD2400FJQ4C

 

[Archer0915]

Manually set FSB to 400 and lower your multiplies in bios that is all there is to it

Model Number Frequency L2 Cache FSB 1 Multiplier Voltage Release Date Part Number
Athlon XP-M 2200+ 1667 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 12.5x 1.45 AXMH2200FQQ4C
Athlon XP-M 2400+ 1800 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 13.5x 1.45 AXMH2400FQQ4C
Athlon XP-M 2500+ 1867 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 14x 1.45 AXMH2500FQQ4C
Athlon XP-M 2600+ 2000 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 15x 1.45 AXMG2600FQQ4C
Athlon XP-M 2800+ 2133 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 16x 1.55 AXMJ2800FHQ4C

Athlon XP-M "Barton" (Desktop Replacement, 72 W TDP, Socket A)

* All models support: MMX, SSE, Enhanced 3DNow!

Model Number Frequency L2 Cache FSB 1 Multiplier Voltage Release Date Part Number
Athlon XP-M 2400+ 1800 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 13.5x 1.60 AXMA2400FUT4C
Athlon XP-M 2500+ 1867 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 14x 1.65 2003 AXMA2500FKT4C
Athlon XP-M 2600+ 2000 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 15x 1.65 AXMA2600FKT4C
Athlon XP-M 2800+ 2133 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 16x 1.65 June 7, 2003 AXMA2800FKT4C
Athlon XP-M 3000+ 2200 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 16.5x 1.65 2003 AXMA3000FKT4C

Athlon XP-M "Barton" (Low Voltage, 35 W TDP, Socket A)

* All models support: MMX, SSE, Enhanced 3DNow!

Model Number Frequency L2 Cache FSB 1 Multiplier Voltage Release Date Part Number
Athlon XP-M 2200+ 1667 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 12.5x 1.35 July 13, 2004 AXMD2200FJQ4C
Athlon XP-M 2400+ 1800 MHz 512 KiB 266 MT/s 13.5x 1.35 AXMD2400FJQ4C

Get one in red probably the 2800 in blue is your best bet.

 

[c627627]

unlocked desktop CPUs are older and overclock less than mobile Bartons.


multiplier x FSB = MHz frequency

simply adjust multiplier provided your CPU is unlocked and mobile Barton is.
simply adjust FSB provided your RAM can adjust higher and PC3200 can.

 

[mxthunder]

Im still scratching my head as to where all these members popped out of lol!

Well my brothers computer bluescreened today so I started playing with it! It was fun, he has a Thoroughbred 2000+ clocked at 1667. I wanna crank up the bus a little and get it to 1700mhz. I love playing with socket A and im glad he still has this system. Really wish I didnt sell my old baby. (Barton mobile (the real mobile) 2500+ that I had clocked to 2.4ghz for years on end and that baby was stable! Had to bring it back down to stock clocks when I sold it though because I think it was slowly dieing)

 

[mbigna]

Im still scratching my head as to where all these members popped out of lol!

Well my brothers computer bluescreened today so I started playing with it! It was fun, he has a Thoroughbred 2000+ clocked at 1667. I wanna crank up the bus a little and get it to 1700mhz. I love playing with socket A and im glad he still has this system. Really wish I didnt sell my old baby. (Barton mobile (the real mobile) 2500+ that I had clocked to 2.4ghz for years on end and that baby was stable! Had to bring it back down to stock clocks when I sold it though because I think it was slowly dieing)

I still have a Barton XP-M 2500+ running at 2.4 GHz on stock voltage. Once every couple of years I blow out the fins on the cheap air-cooler I have for it to make sure it doesn't overheat. It runs on an NForce2 400 Ultra motherboard as well. The interesting thing is that the BIOS doesn't recognize the chip natively--it just reports "Unknown processor 2400 MHz".

 

[c627627]

Get one in red probably the 2800 in blue is your best bet.

That's a negative. Three choices for mobile Barton overclockers, avoid others.

2600+ and 2500+ mobile Bartons overclock best. 2400+ mobile Barton is choice #3.

 

[alexcmia]

Damn, had a good deal today for 3 GB of RAM, Athlon 64 3000+ and mobo, bid too cheap, another guy took it for $105.

Alrighty then! One final question.

Mobo spec say that maximum 3 GB memory is supported. Mobo has 4 DIMM slots, and each DIMM slot can take 1 GB stick. Do you think that thing will support 4 GB of memory?

 

[Archer0915]

I was looking at the even multi and if there is an issue with the 2800 the I would say just the 2600 and 2500 stay away from the 2400 as I remember oop's I am not going to delete that but I forgot the multi was unlocked.

What is the problem with the 2800? price or what?