Phenom II hit 6ghz

[KonaKona]

I can understand your aims are v.good but I really think you need to wait more. We are clueless about 940 retail numbers and the time is very close.

Retail 940 clocks will vary just as retail i7 clocks have varied. Large differences between CPUZ, Bench and daily usable Stable, too.

i7 just sits in a different boat altogether, I'm being frank here. It won't compare to K10 45nm and in any review where the comparison is made, the end result will look disastrous for all AMD CPUs when heavy multithreaded-ness kicks in. Just games/power/cost I can't say about, AMD has a chance in these.

They can reach 7.5GHz LN2, it still doesn't affect above 99% of the current world market demands. 150M Client CPU shipments and not even 1% care about above daily usage.

JMO

7.5 would be a WR, wouldent it?

Last time I checked the WR was 7.2, from a bios screen no less.

 

[Cluster]

heh, 7.5ghz, stop teasing me

 

[Kuroimaho]

To Kuroimaho
I have the prices of the PII in USD. Overall it looks better to go AMD right now rather than Intel. Read above to see what I mean.

I thought Deneb isn't out yet so what makes AMD the best choice ? Phenom ?

I think you can make a comparison but still hold it with a grain of salt. We know that both CPUs can reach a high OC.

We don't know what retail Deneb can reach but we know what retail C2D/Q can do which isn't on your list of parts and as far as I know still the bestseller processor.

You can say there is little benefit for the majority from using 8 thread capable processors and I agree but it works both ways, there are several threads on the forum whether we need quads or not yet.
I would say the best deal is still a C2D ocd to 4G for half the price of a Deneb, now with 3.5G capable Propus at 200$ that will change but that's still a few months away.

 

[bldegle2]

I was in SF last night at AMD's invite only event...

6.2 LN2 1.9v (WPrime 32bit run, an amazing 6.33 seconds, don't blink, click mousey and done)
5.8+ LN2 Crysis time demo passed
4.4 on Prometia phase change (-60*c)
4 gig on air (stock cooler can be used), the one setup I checked for air temps @4gig was running @13/14*c idle on all cores with the huge CoolerMaster double fanned heatpipes....

No cherry picks, all random retail products, well, except for the LN2 demo, they picked the fastest of three CPU's picked at random before the event, the other 2 only did 5.5gig stable on LN2, I take one, LOL.....

It is for real, don't expect the market to be flooded before Xmas, Jan/Feb 2009 is expected mainstream injection....

They also had side by side, DDR2 versus DDR3 with ATI 4800's, virtually the exact same performance.....

Woohoo, AMD with some Intel type of headroom finally............

So, for right now DDR2 will do the deed nicely, saving early converts some hard earned forking for the DDR3, and the DDR3 MB's are WAY EXPENSIVE right now....

laterzzzz...............

 

[KTE]

7.5 would be a WR, wouldent it?

Last time I checked the WR was 7.2, from a bios screen no less.

Sorry, I said that in the intention that didn't come across right... as in "they can reach 50GHz under LN2, it still won't affect over 99% of the buyers". Especially since the economic conditions are extremely low for semiconductor sales, demand for uptake of products is minimal but where dear necessity exists and AMDs position is in the most critical state in these months (since they were struggling before these drastic economic conditions onset). They need high volume sales.

On your other note, you are right but you probably don't recollect as accurately the first figure. It was 8.2GHz by duck.

 

[Badbonji]

It is not just a comparison of mhz to price, as Mhz don't mean as much considering Intel is more efficient clock for clock than AMD, and would also depend on every application. So really it isn't as useful, as a 4Ghz Core I7 will probably be as good as a 4.5Ghz Phenom II on average.

 

[AlabamaCajun]

It is not just a comparison of mhz to price, as Mhz don't mean as much considering Intel is more efficient clock for clock than AMD, and would also depend on every application. So really it isn't as useful, as a 4Ghz Core I7 will probably be as good as a 4.5Ghz Phenom II on average.

This is mostly only true if compiled with Intels optimizer. AMD has gotten much closer than K8 vs the C2 and C7 is C2 with QP and some upgrading to the cores. I think both companies have pushed these products to the next level now is more of just seeing which one we can have more fun with. I'll have more fun if my wallet is not aflame.

Folks, lets not go into a pi**ing over benches, I all for seeing what will work best for us. I don't have a bottle of LN2 or Phase in my office so super chilling is just a spectator sport for me. I will be using the max TI to air coolers and getting the most out of one of these Phentoos.

 

[zif33rs]

Great read...have to say if this is true it has exceeded my expectations for PII. The 3rd chart is what gets my attentions...not high clocks...its going to be price for performance that will win AMD market share.


Thanks for all the compiled info Dolk.

Thanks for attending the event Bldegle2.

 

[Dolk]

Currently watching http://www.mogulus.com/amdunprocessed

EDIT:
So I was watching the broadcast and got in there late so I didn't catch it all. But I did get this information while listening.
All of these settings were done on Crysis except for the 6.3 ghz
6.3 hit 200 fsb 1.966v 31multi
3.9 1.5v passed CRYSIS
3.94 1.5v passed CRYSIS

5.6 ??v in Crysis
6.0 ??v Crysis

 

[KTE]

All AMD Motherboards that were compared have been checked with the AM3 Compatible Motherboard list.

All Prices for i7 Motherboards, i7 CPUs, and AM2+ Motherboards came from www.newegg.com

Whats the 1k Intel price for i7 920, do you know?

The best board for Deneb so far is GBT 790GX and the top recommendation.

 

[flopper]

amd will have a good cpu for OC.
compared to penryn.
i7 will have the edge still.

its good for amd that they get one out at its price with unlocked multipel.
That fact alone will put pressure on Intel.
300 bucks for unlocked 4ghz+ easy or 1000bucks hitting similiar klocks.

I just look at my cooling, and what I can get out, and a 300bucks cpu unlocked with performance as Intel Penryn is a winner in my book.

 

[e6600]

Whats the 1k Intel price for i7 920, do you know?

The best board for Deneb so far is GBT 790GX and the top recommendation.

are you serious? 790FX ocing features are less than a 790GX with the same sb?

 

[KTE]

Its the best current "working" board with Denebs, so maybe thats why.

ASUS 790FX for instance requires another BIOS update, although I expect it to be better after it.

I think you'll find many reviews of Deneb seeded with 790GX mainly.

 

[Yahira]

I thought the 79-T already got the bios update to be compatible with deneb?

I am guessing much of the reason why the gbt has shown to work so well with the deneb is because it is what AMD has been using in all of their tests. If they knew they were going to go that route (of course they did, it is their show after all) then they probably started working with gbt a little sooner than with any other companies so that they could get the workable/stable bios out for the board.

I would be interested to see what the deneb does on the DFI and Asus (mostly the 79-T) boards in the near future, even more so after some bios maturity (another update or two down the road).

I know that I was able to get my 9850 to OC better on the asus than I was on the GBT so it stands to reason that the results would be the same for the deneb. However I realize that my experience is only 1 sample of each board and may not be indicative of the real averages.

On the other hand I can't think that AMD chose the boards they did by accident so there really might be something to the idea that the GBT boards are some of the best performers for deneb. However for all we know that decision may have had more to do with which company was closer to production SB750 boards that can support deneb at the time they had to start thinking about running these tests and doing the shows.

Time will give us the answers and in any case I think the M3A79-T will be right up there in the tops spots for Deneb performance just based on how well it has done with Agena. It won't matter much for me though as that is the board I already have waiting for a PII940 (or a 945 if I end up waiting just a tad longer, but that is a choice for when the time comes and we have more info).

 

[KTE]

The ASUS 790FX/SB750 is the board I would buy if I wanted best OC
Maybe the FXCN 790FX too, not heard updates on it to say.

The bad news is the availability and you can blame it all on the holidays. Shipments stop now from factories and don't restart to first week of Jan due to the period. That means even at launch, many distributors will definitely not be able to source the models in advance until mid Jan which means late Jan for reach by retailers. Europe (especially UK) is worst off because of the weakening currency, they can't even give accurate prices yet, just total guesses. I don't think US/Germany are affected at all, heard of no delays for there currently. All distributors I've been in contact with already have stock or late Dec stock incoming there, which means they placed orders early.

 

[BlueBall]

Here are a few more results for your chart(s)

http://valid.canardpc.com/records.php

 

[Dolk]

Thanks for the charts, I'll add those to the data and update the spreadsheet. I'll be making a nicer one once my CPU comes in.

 

[Neuromancer]

Phenom II price List jan 12 google shopping results (Search parameters: phenom +920 and phenom +940 ) Results are for US retailers.

Phenom II 920

229.90+
235+
235.99+
239.50+
240.59+
242.47+
242.95+
243.95+
244.13+
249.95+
249.99+
250.99+
251.75+
251.99+
252.13+
255.50+
256.15+
259.99+
262.95+
263.35+
263.35+
263.35+
264.70+
265.57+
267.99+
268.30+
269.99+
272.99+
273.97+
275.24+
279.95+
307.10+
317+
319.80

34 prices

=8868.52

$260.84 AVG


Phenom II 940

270.06+
275+
275+
275+
282.61+
284.83+
285.38+
285.95+
285.99+
285.99+
285.99+
286.77+
287.50+
293.97+
295.75+
295.99+
298+
299.75+
299.99+
307.16+
309.35+
309.35+
309.35+
309.99+
310.70+
311+
311.95+
314.99+
321.95+
321.99+
326.74+
327.95+
337.47+
357.83+
366

=10,603.29

AVG Price $302.95



35 prices

There is one listed at 514 dolalrs also, but it is Australian so not included


too many for i7 prices to bother doing over 115 listings for the 920 alone :O


i7 920 $278 to $438 for short list



Too make this simpler, a sampling of the most common retailers I could think of that had all 5 CPUs listed

Newegg
mWave
Directron
TigerDirect
Amazon
eWiz
ZZF

Newegg

PII 920 235
PII 940 275

i7 920 294.99
i7 940 564.99
i7 965 1,1019.99


mWave

PII 920 235
PII 940 275

i7 920 285
i7 940 559
i7 965 999


TigerDirect

PII 920 249.99
PII 940 299.99

i7 920 309.99
i7 940 609.99
i7 965 1079.99

Amazon


PII 920 261.61
PII 940 299.99

i7 920 293.90
i7 940 568.50
i7 965 1011.80

eWiz (superBiiz)

PII 920 231.64
PII 940 272.04

i7 920 283
i7 940 561.88
i7 965 999.88

ZipZoomFly

PII 920 219.99
PII 940 289.99

i7 920 293.90
i7 940 563.50
i7 965 1009.80




Based on above 6 retailers

PII 920 avg $238.87
PII 940 avg $285.34
i7 920 avg $293.46
i7 940 avg $571.31
i7 965 avg $1020.08

 

[Mr.Guvernment]

and wait until i5 comes out..... throw more competion in the price vs performance arena since we all know i7 was aimed at high end, not budget, low end.

 

[AlabamaCajun]

"You get more mileage from a cheak pair of speakers" Billy Joel, Still Rock-n-roll on Glass Houses!

Point, AMD still rocks and rolls (my Q6600 is up for sale in the classies).