While trying to get next steps figured out, tooled around a bit last night.
Samsungs- tried a 2666 and 2933 stick. Both run fine at default speeds/volts but overclocking stunk. Was not able to get the 2666 to boot at 2800, the 2933 refused to post at 3000. I even loosened timings and still nada. What the heck?
Those are both Hynix... 2666 11-13-13-35 could be CFR if double-sided or MFR if single-sided. The 2933 12-13-13-35 will be single-sided MFR.
Other then the OEM Samsung "wonder ram" that you mentioned... I didn't see any Samung based kits in your collection. The good Samsung kits will have 2Gbit rev D chips either HCH9 or HYK0. They are double-sided 4GB sticks and the better binned kits are 2400 9-11-11-28/31, 2600 10-12-12-31 and 2666 10-12-12-31.
Also played with one of the geil evo2 1600 sticks. Wouldn't post at 2666 but did boot at 2600 with 1.88v (using the 2600 tight + spi32 air profiles). Couldn't get it to pass spi32, though...failed just after pass 7. 1.9v didn't help and 1.92v threw an immediate bsod.
I didn't see any EVO2 1600?? Just the EVO2 2000C6 kit which is a very high bin and should be a pretty strong performer. How about the Pi 1600C6... Any tests on those yet?
Will test the 2666 and 2933 sticks using one of the hynix profiles. Pretty sure my 2400 tridentx are samsungs (HYK0 iirc). Of the psc sticks, tried all but only the 2 2300 and 2 2400 sticks managed 2666 tight @ 1.85.
Ran a few more tests last night. The best I could get out of the first evo2 (2000c6, my bad) is 2400 8-11-7 tight with 1.85v. Got one of the 2300 pi's to run 2600 tight 8-12-8 with 1.85v. Tried one of the 1600 pi's...no go at 2600 or 2400.
Hope to make more progress today...here's some info from kicsipapucs....
PSC: (if your MSI board loves them and we find an outstanding pair of sticks, they'll run crazy. 2666C8 very tight subtimings on air! People usually either sell binned kits for very high prices or they sell their rejects only tested with 1 test in which they were ran in an ideal platform, a mobo they loved, "air cooled" in they freezing garden, some subs unseen that are loosened to death, picture taken when voltage dropped by a tenth, etc...)
- G.Skill Pi 3x2GB 1600C6-8-6. As I already said, G.Skill used weaker, PSC-T chips on everything they could from 2010 week 20 on. There is a small chance that they are PSC-X and there is a chance, but even smaller that they're gem sticks. I have 3x2 Mushkin Redline 1600C6-8-6's. Stick #1 beats all my other PSC's, even my 2400C8 ln2 binned kit!! Runs 2400C6 under 1.7V memtest stable! The other 2 sticks are the worst I've ever seen. For 2133C6 they need 1.80 and 1.86V respectively for them to even boot. So it is worth testing them but don't have big expectations.
- Geil Evo2 2x2GB 2000C6-9-6. These are fairly highly binned PSC's based on their specs. Sadly Geil is lottery, you'll need luck to get something decent. That's what this binning is for, so you'll find it out.
- G.Skill Pi 6x2GB 2300C8. Uhm.... bunny you for having that much of everything.
- G.Skill Pi 2x2GB 2400C9. These will run best in my opinion as I mentioned earlier.
Bin them at 2600MHz C8 (tWCL6) or if unable cause of the board, try 2400C7 (tWCL6) but that won't bring out issues they might have running 2600 or above.
Also, check their tRCD limits. Good kits can at least boot 1200MHz tRCD 10 and 1300MHz tRCD 11 at normal ambient temps.
And not to forget, important to take a look at capability of running tRP at same value as CL throughout the whole stable frequency range between 1100 and 1333MHz.
Samsungs:
I need photo of sn+if it's double/single side to make sure which TridentX has Samsung 2Gbit, which has 4Gbit and which are hynix craps.
You have to bin checking MHz/volt relation using CL9 and CL10. Good kits should do 1400MHz CL9 under 2.0V and 1400MHz CL10 under 1.7V.
Also find out tRCD limits. A good kit on this matter can run SPi32M at 1300 x-11-11 and 1400 x-12-12 at voltages under 1.75V.
BBSE:
- G.Skill Ripjaws 3x1GB 1600C7-7-7
- G.Skill Perfect Storm 3x2GB 2133C9-9-9
- And some others maybe that are unknown at the moment
Bin them by finding also MHz/volt relation using CL6(tWCL8) and CL7(tWCL8). Good kits should do 1100MHz CL6 under 1.85V and/or 1200MHz CL7 under 1.75V.
Find tRCD limits. Good kits should do 1150MHz+ tRCD 9 and 1275MHz+ tRCD 10 at normal ambient temps. Check ability to take high voltage (1.9V+) at 1300MHz+. But as I said BBSE have no grounds with me when benching top notch stuff.
No worries...trying to learn here so your input's always appreciated!
1) he sent me that pm a few months ago on a different site. Not sure why but he's not a frequent poster in open threads. Point taken, though...have messaged him asking if it's ok. If not, I'll beg forgiveness and remove the content.
2) No idea? Want to get through spi passes fairly quickly but the temps were getting a bit high when going for 5GHz. Didn't realize that it makes a big difference for testing/binning.
3) Yes...pretty sure fast boot is off (I usually make sure it's always off so the mem retrains every time). Agreed...maybe, hopefully the best 4 sticks can do better than 2666 but was just going for quick binning. They need more testing (same speed/less voltage, find top speed)
With G.Skill kits... The HYK0 and HCH9 ic will have either "0340/0360" (old) or "1500/2500" (new) codes in the serial # on side label sticker.
You can also check the SPD tab for JEDEC... HCH9 will show 1333 9-9-9 1.5v and HYK0 will show 1600 11-11-11 1.5v.
Thinking of not bothering with bbse testing as, afaik, they're not really useful on any platform since I've got decent hypers and psc? Whatcha think?
Also...what about the 2400, 2666 and 2933 tridentx sticks? Is it even worth testing the 2666 and 2933 sticks? Wouldn't mind improving my ddr3 subs but thinking those overclockers dream sticks would be best for those anyway?
Thoughts and/or guidance on settings to use for testing the 2400's would be awesome. If you think it's worth testing the 2666 and/or 2933 then any settings for those would also be welcomed.
Figure going to sell the hynix sticks so not going to bother testing them. Going through the bbse now...the 1600 ripjaws are doing the same as the perfect storms above, quite a few are refusing to hit 2400 but run fine at 2133-2200.
Any tips on overclocking and settings for binning on the 2400 tridentx (samsung)?
Had a bad setting so retested the 2300 (4 pair) and 2400 (2 pair) pis first as single sticks trying to find the minimum voltages (starting at 1.82v) for my settings. Of the 2300's, 1 pair I could only get to 2600, another pair has 1 stick that passes with 1.82v but it's partner would only go to 2600. The rest all made it with 1.78-1.85v (screens are, for the most part, all below). In pairs, the 2400's needed 1.85 and the 2300's needed 1.87 and 1.80v. All voltage changes were in increments of 0.02v so it's possible any of the sticks or pairs could pass with 0.01 less.
Might retest the 2400's as I find it difficult to believe that they beat all 2300's by around a 1/2 second. Also want to try tightening all 6 a bit but not sure when :/
Going to be running quad channel in the next couple days hopefully....which 2 pairs do you think I should use?
Thoughts?
Thanks again to everyone who helped me learn a lot while I worked through everything!
Continuing to work through my ddr3...only a handful of sticks remain to be tested (finally).
Would someone be able to enlighten me on what to look for and solid binning settings (timings/subtimings/voltages/etc) for Samsung and BBSE?
TIA!!
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Here are the remaining sticks to be tested:
1600-GSkill Ripjaws http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231344
Elpida BBSE
f3-12800cl7t-3gbrh, 3x1GB, 7-7-7-24
Only tested to confirm everything runs properly at default. Prior owner ran them from 1000c6 (1.73v) up to 1200c9 (1.68v)
2133-GSkill Perfect Storm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231269
Elpida BBBG/BBSE
f3-17066cl9t-6gpbps, 3x2GB, 9-9-9-24
Prior owner tested the kit in various combinations for 1105 7-9-7-24 1,62v, 1143 7-9-7-24 1,66v, 1200 7-10-7-24 1,75v and also for 1000 6-8-6-24. The kit boots and does 1m 1300 8-11-8-22 at 1,89v on M5F, but fails 32m.
As noted above, before I figured out they were BBSE, tested them using psc presets and got the following results:
stick 1) pass at 2400 8-10-7 @ 1.85v, psc 2400 profile, trdrd=4, twcl=4, spi32 profile enabled
stick 2) pass at 2400 8-10-7 @ 1.85v, psc 2400 profile, trdrd=4, twcl=4, spi32 profile enabled
stick 3) pass at 2400 8-10-7 @ 1.85v, psc 2400 profile, trdrd=4, twcl=4, spi32 profile enabled
2400-GSkill TridentX http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231638
Samsung
f3-2400c9d-8gtxd, 4x4GB (2 different sets), 9-11-11-31
On z97, have had these running as high as 2933, 11-13-13-38 @ 1.87v but aida read speed was much faster at 2400, 9-11-11-31 with stock voltage. Ran 2786, 10-12-12-30 2T @ 1.87v on fm2.
Here's what I found for potential binning settings but would appreciate any guidance from you folks:
For me Z77 was working better than Z87/97 but had limited max clock. Anyway I could easier set CL6/7 than on haswell. I don't know if it's worth to change platform for tests if you already set everything on haswell.
Re PSC, most PSC were in kits like 1600 6-8-6/7-8-7 1.55-1.65V and 2000 6-9-6, 7-9-7, 8-9-8, 9-9-9 1.55-1.65V. If I remember good, PSC on X58 could make 2000 6-9-6 or 7-9-7 and that was what all were looking for at reasonable voltages ( count up to 1.75V ).
Better PSC from late batches were in kits like 1600 6-8-6, 2133 7-10-7/7-10-10 and 2400 8-11-8/9-11-9. Considering that fact, if you are looking for better PSC then it should make at least something like that.
I have couple of PSC kits:
- 2 kits of 2x2GB Dominators GT 2000 C8 - can make 2000 6-9-6, 2133 6-10-6, 2400 7-11-7, 2600 8-12-8 but they don't like higher voltages, max on air ~1.83V
- G.Skill RipjawsX 2x2GB 2133 9-10-9 1.50V - can make about the same at 2000-2400 but I could bench it up to 2666 CL8-12-8 or 2800 9-12-10 and max 3100+ for valid on AMD or Z77
- ADATA 3x 2000 9-9-9 1.55-1.65V - can make 2000 7-9-7 at about 1.65V, 2133 7-11-7, 2400 8-12-8, 2600 9-12-10, 2666+ was crashing when I was testing it last time <-- this is worse PSC
^ I have just acquired a z77 (Asus M5G that we have reviewed) for benching SB & IVE-B CPU’s. I have a set of hypers for my x58 but have several PSC/BBSE sticks. The SB cpu’s are stuck at a max of 2133+ with BLCK OCing. Should I use the hypers with tight settings @ 2000 - or the PSC (Corsair Dom GT 2133__9-10-9-24) or BBSE (G.Skill Trident 2000__9-9-9-27) that can scale to 2400+ if needed when OCing?
IIRC - The Hypers are switched for the PSC/BBSE sticks when using the IVE-B CPU’s?
When I rebench the Haswell CPU’s (z97_M7G that we have reviewed) - the recommended memory would be the G.Skill Trident X 2666 because of the increased bandwidth? Would not having the PSC/BBSE running tighter @ 2400/2600 1T be better than getting the Trident X’s to run @ 2800/2933 2T??
Some benchmarks like low latency, some higher frequency. The best is some kind of balance between both. You have to test it on your own and check what looks better on your setup. AIDA64 generally helps a lot to test various settings quickly. Spi32M reacts the best to frequency/latency so you can use it too but tests take some time.
The BBSE needs high voltages for good results and a lot of luck with IC. Other ICs are more OC-friendly.
In most cases, you want 2400-2666 and the lowest CL you can set at CR1. 2800 is hard to set on PSC/Hypers. Some sticks will run fine, some not and results are barely better than at 2600/2666.
I don't remember the settings, it was ages ago. Really, considering how much stuff I tested since then and how often new generations are being released, it's a lot of time.
I'm keeping "just in case" some DDR3 but I wasn't testing them since I stopped benching for hwbot. I guess I have only one or maybe two good motherboards for DDR3 tests. Everything else died or I sold it when it was still worth something.
I generally keep unique memory kits, unless they are very expensive and I have to move forward. My monthly income isn't high enough to just buy and collect. Recently I noticed I sold almost all DDR4 kits to cover DDR5 costs. 3 DDR4 kits left.
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