Upgrade from G.SKILL Ripjaws V 3200C16 to TridentZ 3200C14 worth it?

[RigasGR]

Hello to all forum,

1st post here and want some help, about memory upgrade on my Hero VIII.

I run at the moment the Ripjaws V 3200-C16-GVK kit, i dont know what Samsung die is, a friend told me that is E-die.

The kit can run at 14-15-15-28-1T and 3200 with 1.40V.

Here an XTU at 4800 the 6700K and the memory at the settings 14-15-15-28-1T
http://hwbot.org/submission/3343919_rigasgr_xtu_core_i7_6700k_1688_marks

Is worth the upgrade to F4-3200C14D-16GTZ ?

Reason for asking is to lower the IMC voltage and 2nd better overclocking.

And final question

Ripjaws kit F4-3200C16D-16GVK is dual sided?

http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c16d-16gvk

TridentZ F4-3200C14D-16GTZ is single sided?
http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14d-16gtz

Single sided VS Dual sided is affect on Overclocking????

Thanks for your time.

 

[Kenrou]

1.4v is supposedly safe for 24/7, do you really need that small bump or are you just tinkering ?

 

[mackerel]

I have the GVK kit in my main system and can confirm it is dual rank. From earlier reviews by Woomack the GTZ does appear to be single rank.

http://www.overclockers.com/forums/...dent-Z-2x8GB-DDR4-3000-CL14-F4-3000C14D-16GTZ

If you should swap depends on your needs. For me, the benefit from dual rank would far offset small increases in clock or timings.

 

[RigasGR]

Guys thanks for the Welcome,

Kenrou , I want to push more in higher speed and lower timings.

So the Ripjaws are Dual and Trident are single, affect on memory band or small gains?

Plan to jump to LN2 if find a good support here in Athens/Greece and think to try the Z series.

I dont play games, only overclock.

Also is correct the answer that Rip is E-die?

 

[Kenrou]

I managed to get my 3200mhz 14-14-14-34 2T to 3600mhz 15-15-15-30 1T @1.4v, but didn't try to go lower if it helps any ? either way you will probably have to raise voltage

 

[RigasGR]

Man u Rock!!!! Well binned chips. U have the c14 3200 version, mine is the c16. Maybe on 1.5 v get better. C14 is dual or single?

 

[Kenrou]

Aida64 and CPU-Z say dual but can't find them on the GSkill website anymore. Amazon page : https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01ACODP7S/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

[RigasGR]

Aida64 and CPU-Z say dual but can't find them on the GSkill website anymore. Amazon page : https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01ACODP7S/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

U have this
http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14d-16gvk

is the GVK version with C14

And I have this
http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c16d-16gvk

the C16 version.

I dont know if the c14 is single sided (i dont have one in my hands to see) but the c16 is dual.

Propably the c14 Ripjaws V have the same IC with TridentZ c14 3200Mhz, and maybe the Trident Z had a better binned IC.

Or the price dif is in name and heat spreaders look.

Here in Greece the c14 kit sell with no available problems
http://www.e-shop.gr/ram-gskill-f4-...00mhz-ripjaws-v-dual-channel-kit-p-PER.558585

And the TridentZ same specs kit ,small price dif.
http://www.e-shop.gr/ram-gskill-f4-...00mhz-trident-z-dual-channel-kit-p-PER.558587

As I said the reason to upgrade is only for overclock and the better voltage for the lower timing.

 

[Kenrou]

Check out this thread - http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/769399-Memory-IC-s-manufacturer-for-DDR4-desktop


EDIT: actually if you scroll down/other pages of the Memory thread you will see many more GSkill reviews, both Ripjaws and Trident, might help

 

[Kenrou]

Redid test with latest BIOS, boots to windows at 4000mhz and 4133mhz but is unstable, might be motherboard limitations ? also had to up 1T to 2T to even boot higher then 3733mhz

Stock 3200mhz 14-14-14-34 1.35v



3733mhz 15-15-15-30 1.45v



3866mhz 16-16-16-32 1.45V

 

[RigasGR]

Check out this thread - http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php/769399-Memory-IC-s-manufacturer-for-DDR4-desktop


EDIT: actually if you scroll down/other pages of the Memory thread you will see many more GSkill reviews, both Ripjaws and Trident, might help

Redid test with latest BIOS, boots to windows at 4000mhz and 4133mhz but is unstable, might be motherboard limitations ? also had to up 1T to 2T to even boot higher then 3733mhz

Stock 3200mhz 14-14-14-34 1.35v

View attachment 184662

3733mhz 15-15-15-30 1.45v

View attachment 184663

3866mhz 16-16-16-32 1.45V

View attachment 184664

with 1.50v u can try better, dont worry about 1.5v.

I know guys run ddr3 platform on z170 and 1.5v, 1.5 is the max limit XMP Intel's

Already add 1.4 the companies in 4000 kits, so 1.6 and 1.7 can be run on tight timing, but need good cooler oc cpu.

I said that for bench only to get results.

For all day, the 14-14-14 3200 is already a good kit.

btw good cpu man, like it the IMC that U have....strong.

 

[Kenrou]

I know about the XMP limit and that it can go well into the 1.6v (although like a CPU it will degrade over time) but since i have no idea about max temps i thought caution was best here plus i made my own thread a few months back and got hammered pretty hard that there would be no improvement over the stock in day to day with the exception of a handful of games.

 

[RigasGR]

One result with AIDA read with the c16 kit is this.

http://hwbot.org/submission/3216280_rigasgr_aida64___memory_read_ddr4_sdram_47281_mbs

4.7Ghz-4.4Ghz and lower the cas from 16 to 15 and CR from 2 to 1.

 

[Kenrou]

Stock



3200mhz 13-14-14-28 1T 1.45v (won't boot below)

 

[RigasGR]

I dont post to show U my score compare to U, but make me wonder why the 14 kit runs in AIDA in this score.

Anyway as i said...in low to 13 cas for your kit maybe need to raise VSSA VCCIO manual, and lift the voltage to 1.5

Something else is Xtreme Addict said that binnig mobos to see what makes to hi-speed kits, other performe better than other.

Yes takes 10 same board and test kits

In stock 14-14-14 u enable XMP or manual? Same for VCCIO VSSA

 

[Kenrou]

SA/IO at 1.25v if memory serves, haven't tinkered with it since i started memory overclocking a few months back, XMP always enabled. I also didn't post to compare to you i did stock to other settings so far going lower is not worth it.

 

[RigasGR]

Kenrou, thanks for the info.

 

[Woomack]

It's not worth to change memory unless you need a bit better performance in tests like SuperPI, XTU and couple others. Most benchmarks won't react good on faster memory so if it's high cost then it's not worth it. However if you are looking for benching sticks then 3200 CL14 is the best you can get right now in still reasonable price.

 

[azumirm]

Hi, I'm new here so I hope it's OK to reply to a thread without going through the "Introduce yourself" routine which most forums have.
I have tested both of these kits. The Ripjaws 3200 CL16 in my own machine and the Trident C14's in a friends machine. I actually find the ripjaws to be a little more flexible on timings and voltage.
I currently run them at 3466 15-16-16-28 2T @ 1.380v every day and have never had a problem, but I use them for gaming with only the occasional spike in interest to overclock when I see threads on various websites.
The highest I have had them is 4000, I don't recall the timings but I believe they were something stupid like 20-22-22-45 2T @ 1.4. Not worth it at all for my needs. Anyway, I'll attach a screenshot of my results for the RAM as it is now, just in case it helps someone.