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Anyone getting Windows 8 and if so whats the reason?

I guess it will become the next Vista, i just dont see the point because of all the stuff i was reading it doesnt sound appealing to me.

So i guess, currently my systems will keep running with Win 7, until the next generation (in about 3 years). And when the next generation is arriving, i may use Win 9** (which should be out at that time) for my gamer system. All the other systems may run on Archlinux.

I dont know if Wine (for games) is a valid option but surely something to check out for. Anyone got experience with?

So i guess i pass on Windows 8 completly, but still wonder if there is any good reason to use because so far its hard to find any good reason. In term MS is forcing "the good reasons" i would still pass because of resistance. ;) **In term Win 9 is going to be the same junk its probably time seeking for alternate solutions, but the only alternate solution for gaming could be wine.

Was checking out the desktop screen on Win 8 and i had to say, whats going on? Where is my beloved custom PC? Soon we are facing the same problems such as Apple solutions where a Jailbreak is required even to install a flash player. ;) Oh well... it may be the seed able to distribute much more alternate solutions to the consumers.
 
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I'll probably end up upgrading. I skipped W7.

Vista is a good OS anyway. W7 is basically just a new skin for Vista, underpinnings are pretty much the same. Vista just got a bunch of hate due to early problems, and it somehow became 'cool' to dislike Vista. I never bought into the negative hype, and Vista has been way more stable for me than XP ever was.

If you want to rag on 8 and compare it to a truly bad version of Windows, try comparing it to ME ;)
 
I will most likely try it since I can get it for free through my school, not sure if I will stay on it though.

I installed the leaked final build that came out a while ago and it seems like they literally moved every even remotely advanced feature to the back into the control panel or some other background menu. They are moving towards a very simplistic kind of setup and I'm not sure that I like it.

I might put it on my netbook if I can find drivers and if it really is faster, but I see no reason to actually spend money on it.
 
Vista is a good OS anyway. W7 is basically just a new skin for Vista,
Thats simply wrong. Win 7 is a new development and its not Vista based.

I dunno how you got in mind that Win 7 is "just a new skin", actually the skin didnt change much at all because its the good old classic design which was here for very long. Some graphics might be improved such as Aero function but thats nothing more than some eye candy. In fact, Win 7 was better doing so, since it had many new functions such as a peview slider which was not included in Vista and Win 7 had a much better UAC management (which was a very huge issue on Vista) . So its even improved in that aspect.

Vista was DX 10 at its release, however it was close to useless because the Devs was hating Vista so the DX10 was wasted and highly avoided.
Vista was a huge hardware hog, more than Win 7, many people was going back to Win XP so they needed lesser hardware power. When Win 7 finally was released they noticed that theyr hardware was running much smoother and it was a joyful experience.

MS upgraded Vista to DX11 after Win 7 has been released in order to please the mad Vista users i guess. Win 7 had native DX11 right from the start and was more gentle on the hardware, a lot of improved functions too. Vista was the biggest flop in MS history, for a good reason and only 2 year after they released another OS, so MS basically was throwing the mess away pretty quick. Win 7 was the biggest win in MS history, its not a coincidence, its the first well working OS from MS...


Conclusion: Win 7 is not "a Vista with improved skin"; just to get that right. Its good to make some research before spelling out such stuff.

I see almost same problems with Win 8 now, devs doesnt seem to enjoy it and same for most users.
 
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I intend to skip 8. Haven't tried it myself and see no reason to do so. Aside from the scheduler fixes I've heard nothing about 8 that makes me the least bit interested and a lot that makes me disinterested.

I disliked vista from the git, but after the SP fixes I came to like it.
 
7 is an improvement upon Vista, a big one, imo. There is no reason whatsoever to 'skip 7' ratbuddy. Especially since 8 is looking unattractive to many users. I'm not going to get into a nitpicky argument over your personal OS choice, but "7 is just a skin of Vista"?? Really now.
 
Windoze 8 is not bad, with MS u have to expect bumps. (just like the iphone 5 lol) 7 is just fine at this point, but it depends on your frustration toleration level :D

Improvements (which some may like)
1. GUI remarkably snappier
2. Explorer quick commands (this took too long)
3. Task Manager is more detailed

Drawbacks
1. Tile interface (for desktop user)
2. Legacy services do not perform in the same fashion (could be my problem)
Postgres DB goes on/off line randomly​
Monitor resolution goes haywire on occassion​
3. Lack of desktop "mode"
4. Interface complexity (based on prior OSs). Simple tasks seem arduous.
5. More hardened security for file sharing (if you dont like / use homegroups)

Overall somewhat pleased, but if I realized how much my postgres DB was going to be affected, prolly would not have moved forward with Win8. :salute:
 
..and it somehow became 'cool' to dislike Vista.

Just like how it's become 'cool' to hate Windows 8 even though 90% of the people saying it sucks have never even used it. I sincerely hope everyone who hasn't actually used Windows 8 but constantly spouts off "Don't bother with Windows 8 if you don't have a touch screen" gets hit by a bus tomorrow. The less people spreading misinformation on the internet the better.

I've been using Windows 8 as my main OS for a good while now and I can honestly say it's not nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be. I uninstalled all the default apps to 1) clear out the metro start screen so I can put my own stuff on there and 2) so I can use my own programs (foxit, VLC, etc) instead of having to deal with Microsoft's fullscreen tablet view BS apps. After that it pretty much operates exactly like Windows 7 does. I pin all my frequently used programs to the metro start screen so that it functions just like the frequently used programs you see on the start menu from XP onward. This way I don't have to navigate through the awkward "all programs" screen very often. I also keep the "Desktop Mode" "app" on the start screen so I can switch back to desktop mode without having to move my mouse back down to the bottom left corner. I keep the handful of programs that I know I'll use everyday pinned to the taskbar just like I did in 7. The average Windows user won't even have to use the start screen or all programs screen very often since they seem to have a shortcut to every file or application on their computer sitting on their desktop. Contrary to what clueless bloggers and forum dwellers would have you believe, the desktop still exists and it's still as functional as it was in 7.

You can also quickly access common control panel tasks as well as the control panel, task manager, elevated command prompt, run and search commands by right clicking where the start menu used to be. There's also a pretty neat feature (that might exist in Windows 7 but I never looked for it) to restart your computer in safe mode without having to hammer the F8 button at start up, only it's hidden in a ridiculously long chain of button clicking that make it such a pain in the *** to actually use. It's something like hover over the bottom right corner of screen > settings > change pc setting > general > advanced start up > two or three more button presses > safe mode > restart now. There's probably a faster way to access it but I don't boot into safe mode (or unsigned driver mode) often enough to bother searching.

With that said, there's some really annoying things about Windows 8 too. The biggest issue for me is that it STILL DOESN'T HAVE A TABBED FILE EXPLORER! It's 2012 for crying out loud. How can you be a modern operating system and not include a tabbed file explorer? This is something that probably should have been implemented in Vista or at the very least, 7. Can you imagine ever going back to a non tabbed web browser? Of course not. Once you've used a tabbed file explorer you don't want to give it up either. It makes dealing with even just two separate folders so much easier.

Another pretty annoying (to me anyway) thing is the Desktop Mode "app" on the start screen. It's a giant button, twice the size of the average start screen button, so one would think that this button would show a live preview of what's currently on your desktop. Nope. it's just a picture of your wallpaper with "Desktop" written on it. Being able to see what's currently on your desktop while your desktop is completely covered by another screen can be pretty useful. Icons on the taskbar have previews so why not extend the functionality of the start screen with that same technology?

I also hate how Windows 8 doesn't alert you about windows updates being available anywhere other than on the windows update section of the control panel or on the login screen. Even on the login screen it's in tiny pinkish letters on the bottom on the screen. I never set Windows to automatically download and install updates because sometime there's updates I don't want, like the generic radeon drivers Windows 8 keeps wanting to install because it doesn't recognize that I already have the latest AMD drivers installed. So I either have to manually check if there's updates available or wait until I restart my computer, which isn't very often, to be notified. I like the Windows 7 way of having a little notification popup alerting me that there is updates available.

Other than those I can't really think of much else to complain about. I guess the ribbon menu on everything is annoying but that's easy enough to fix. Outside of the new UI, which takes all of about a day to get used to, it generally functions like a snappier version of Windows 7. I don't really consider myself a "power user" these days. I just do pretty typical stuff like video games, porn, netflix, a little programming, photoshop, etc. Maybe for extreme technical use Windows 8 might not be so hot. But for day to day stuff it's really nowhere near as bad as people who have never even used it are making it out to be. Just because Gabe Newell is threatened by competition doesn't make Windows 8 a bad OS.

I suggest getting your hands on an evaluation copy and using it for a few weeks before writing it off as trash. You can download the enterprise edition to use for free for 90 days.
 
JU571N I skimmed through your entire post and basically what I got from it is that you don't like people complaining about it, but then you name all sorts of little flaws in it.

I have tried the final version of Windows 8 and with my dual monitor on the left side I have to play a balancing game every time I want to open the metro screen or the left side menu. The mouse just slides onto the other screen. With windows 7 that start button actually serves a purpose for people who have more than one monitor.

That and the fact that Windows 8 pretty much forces you to integrate your windows live profile, at least it asked me when I set it up on my comp.

The bottom line is that it the OS isn't fine tuned for people who have a normal desktop. If I had a touch screen then sure I can see how it would be way better, but I don't want to have to go out and buy a touch screen to use my computer.
 
Well, my PC is a custom machine, it should not move into the direction of a Windows Live "Custom Xbox". If i want it, then there is the Xbox to get. So i dont understand the way MS is using it. Its basically a mix between tablet and Xbox menu and many functions seems to be linked to the Xbox or other MS proprietary "live" functions. When it is continuing like that, it will become a new Apple, but who knows, people apparently enjoy that new kind of "life style" and are paying sheer amount of coins for it.

Apparently Apples huge success made MS think that way and they seem to use the same strategy such as Apple.
 
People who have given Windows 8 a chance and used it for more than an hour can complain about it all they want. I'm just sick of seeing "it sucks unless you have a touch screen" or "Windows 8 is the new Vista! hur hur hur!" by people who have never even used it every time Windows 8 is mentioned. Once you use it you realize it's still Windows. It doesn't take very long at all to get used to the new UI. I'm sure as the Windows 8 adoption rate increases over the next several years we'll see more and more tools to configure the new UI better.

I get what you're saying about the 2nd monitor. That's the exact reason I always put other monitors on the right side. Even on Windows with a start button I get annoying at overshooting the start button when I have an extended desktop to the left.

I don't care for global account integration either but unless you want to use the app store you can get by just fine by using a local account. I think for the masses having all your crap linked together is going to be great.

Windows 8 definitely has flaws. I never tried to say it didn't. I'm just so sick of everyone writing it off without trying it, especially this early in it's life span. If I didn't have access to it for free I probably wouldn't be upgrading right away but I definitely probably would after a year or two and all the kinks have been worked out.
 
Yeah, you want them to be hit by a bus tomorrow for disagreeing with you. That's when I stopped reading your book.
 
Thats simply wrong. Win 7 is a new development and its not Vista based.

I dunno how you got in mind that Win 7 is "just a new skin", actually the skin didnt change much at all because its the good old classic design which was here for very long. Some graphics might be improved such as Aero function but thats nothing more than some eye candy. In fact, Win 7 was better doing so, since it had many new functions such as a peview slider which was not included in Vista and Win 7 had a much better UAC management (which was a very huge issue on Vista) . So its even improved in that aspect.

Vista was DX 10 at its release, however it was close to useless because the Devs was hating Vista so the DX10 was wasted and highly avoided.
Vista was a huge hardware hog, more than Win 7, many people was going back to Win XP so they needed lesser hardware power. When Win 7 finally was released they noticed that theyr hardware was running much smoother and it was a joyful experience.

MS upgraded Vista to DX11 after Win 7 has been released in order to please the mad Vista users i guess. Win 7 had native DX11 right from the start and was more gentle on the hardware, a lot of improved functions too. Vista was the biggest flop in MS history, for a good reason and only 2 year after they released another OS, so MS basically was throwing the mess away pretty quick. Win 7 was the biggest win in MS history, its not a coincidence, its the first well working OS from MS...


Conclusion: Win 7 is not "a Vista with improved skin"; just to get that right. Its good to make some research before spelling out such stuff.

I see almost same problems with Win 8 now, devs doesnt seem to enjoy it and same for most users.

I've done plenty of research, thank you. I simply do not buy into the "Vista is bad, 7 is good" groupthink. I've been using Microsoft operating systems since my first Tandy 1000 came with MS-DOS 2.1.

I dual booted XP and Vista for a while, and Vista was the clear winner. More stable, more secure, more compatible.

I dual booted Vista and 7 for a while as well, and found no reason to switch. The only real changes were to the interface, and I didn't like them. I prefer the Vista taskbar. UAC doesn't bother me. The 7 kernel has some minor performance advantages in some cases, but so does the Vista kernel. I dislike the 'ribbon' interface.

When it comes down to actual functionality, 7 doesn't do anything Vista isn't capable of, at least anything I need. I can't think of a single program, game, or driver that actually requires 7. Maybe there's a program or two out there that requires 7, but I've never seen one. There's a reason for that: 7 is built on Vista, and doesn't change all that much of the underlying structure. It's nothing like the jump from XP to Vista. It's more like the changes from 98 to 98SE.

Early buzz on 8 has been somewhat negative, but I won't be relying on others to form my opinions. I'll try it myself and see if it offers anything I want.
 
I've done plenty of research, thank you. I simply do not buy into the "Vista is bad, 7 is good" groupthink. I've been using Microsoft operating systems since my first Tandy 1000 came with MS-DOS 2.1.

I dual booted XP and Vista for a while, and Vista was the clear winner. More stable, more secure, more compatible.

I dual booted Vista and 7 for a while as well, and found no reason to switch. The only real changes were to the interface, and I didn't like them. I prefer the Vista taskbar. UAC doesn't bother me. The 7 kernel has some minor performance advantages in some cases, but so does the Vista kernel. I dislike the 'ribbon' interface.

When it comes down to actual functionality, 7 doesn't do anything Vista isn't capable of, at least anything I need. I can't think of a single program, game, or driver that actually requires 7. Maybe there's a program or two out there that requires 7, but I've never seen one. There's a reason for that: 7 is built on Vista, and doesn't change all that much of the underlying structure. It's nothing like the jump from XP to Vista. It's more like the changes from 98 to 98SE.

Early buzz on 8 has been somewhat negative, but I won't be relying on others to form my opinions. I'll try it myself and see if it offers anything I want.

Good Post :attn:
 
As I age...gracefully of course...I become more and more resistant to large changes to the familiar. MS wanting to make large changes to a familiar and serviceable UI to save money on development costs does not interest me.

OT, my principle issues with vista revolved around poor resource management and some debilitating bugs that were present in the retail product. They were eventually fixed, but by then the brand name had lost so much street cred that it was a good decision by MS to scrap the name IMO.
 
OT, my principle issues with vista revolved around poor resource management and some debilitating bugs that were present in the retail product. They were eventually fixed, but by then the brand name had lost so much street cred that it was a good decision by MS to scrap the name IMO.

Pre SP1 Vista was hampered by a disk issue, cant remember the exact problem, but remember it being a HUGE performance issue.

W7 vs Vista, W7 to me is the clear winner, and I understand not upgrading, it's a preference thing. The whole idea of moving drivers out of kernel space (duh) was the best argument for Vista/W7. However, I would question the performance point about WXP vs Vista vs W7. After bringing back some old hardware, WXP on an SSD is surprisingly fast. (but u have to deal with the good old driver model / BSOD madness) Never played around with x64 WXP, but really memory was the biggest issue on WXP/32 bit etc.

W8 has some minor improvements, but overall not a fan, after all it's an "even" operating system. :D

All of our perspectives are not the "typical" user and to be honest, I have not really tried W8 the way it is supposed to be used on Surface and/or some type of tablet environment.

Regardless, I have never seen an operating system / tablet / mobile battle like we are experiencing today. It's an exciting time for the consumer, no more reliance on a single OS with a plethora of choices.

Love it. :popcorn:
 
I'll probably end up upgrading. I skipped W7.

Vista is a good OS anyway. W7 is basically just a new skin for Vista, underpinnings are pretty much the same. Vista just got a bunch of hate due to early problems, and it somehow became 'cool' to dislike Vista. I never bought into the negative hype, and Vista has been way more stable for me than XP ever was.

If you want to rag on 8 and compare it to a truly bad version of Windows, try comparing it to ME ;)

QFT!
 
Yeah, you want them to be hit by a bus tomorrow for disagreeing with you. That's when I stopped reading your book.

it isnt that, it is the same crap as Vista, when it came out, everyone hated it, yet almost no one used it, or people claimed it was a hardware hog trying to run it on their single core, 512Mb of ram 10 year old computers XP came installed on and had no clue what superfetch was.

People then hated Windows 7 who were still glued to XP.. after 10 years people will not let Xp go...

So now Windows 8 is here and everyone is hating on it, when again, most people complaining never bothered to even download the FREE consumer preview..

it just gets old after a while.. Windows 8 is nothing like Vista, Vista was NOTHING like windows ME, what so ever.
 
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