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sam, you are the guru of silver paste. I won't argue with you if you say geil sells some under their name that you find to be misrepresented.
But does that mean that all geil products are heretofore necessarily bad? Does this mean that we can no longer buy dell because they tried to cover up their server boards cathing on fire? Shuttle because thier nforce3 baords killed many people's A64's? Or OCZ because they had a subcontracted party deliver non-silver silver paste with their name? Or that awful, awful heatsink of theirs? It appears to me that geil's paste is in fact this stuff
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835100302
as it is what I got for free from them with the ram. It is labeled here as masscool and sells for a whopping $1.99. And if you look in the description of it, you see "Color:silver" but it does not actually purport to be silver particle paste. Maybe geil's did, and that is why you are mad at them. Good. Glad to have someone looking out for us, since that indeed isn't the type of thing one wants to let a company get away with for long. But methinks you are pretty quick to jump your guns,telling people to steer clear of an entire product range, especially when it is quite possible that geil did not know it was not selling thermal paste, much like OCZ? If Geil is just finding out now and is not taking the very high road that OCZ did, then shame on them - but I am hardly about to abandon their products based on a $1.99 tube of paste.
Intel seems to have major problems telling the truth about their cpu's - I guess those arre out the door too? Ati has stiffed us on cards and baords for around six months, so is anything based on their tech is verboten?
Your comments about the chips on the ram I still cannot figure out. Firstly, you are calling it a speech, as though I am pulling this info out of an orifice. Not only are they advertised as BH-5 in the title of the product at Newegg, but they exhibit EXACTLY the specifications of the new bh-5 chips, results which no other chips in the world can match. You come to the conclusion that a paste is silver by running tests on it - well the tests I have run on this stuff scream BH-5 from every rooftop. If they tried to swap chips for something else, it just would not work - can you name another IC that will do cas1.5 at 2.6v ddr400? as well as DDR500 cas2-2-2? And up the the DDR540 plus I am seeing at 2-2-2? Ch-5 can't, TCCD either. Not BH-6 from years ago even. And frankly whether they are BH5 or not does not matter - if I pry off the spreader and find hot pink chips with the barbie logo, I will still have ddr540 chips, and that does matter. Requiring them to say "bh-5" on them would be like saying a racing strip on a honda makes it go faster. You also must know that the new BH-5 is a blank IC, like most IC's these days, and I would pop off the spreader and either find blankness of a geil logo. Most ram comanies are even smoothiing over the twin dimples that used to give away winbond, mushkin for example. Not to mention that you are borking the warranty when you take that spreader off.
It just seems like a swipe you wanted get in on Geil, when you suggest that they are not chips that every overclocker worth his salt can identify from results alone. Show me DD1 700mhz and I'll have TCCD or TCC5 out of my mouth before you even get to the timings or voltage.
Now if you would like to say "geil misrepresents thier thermal paste and I will not buy their BH-5 until they come clean", I would not agree with that statement, but it would be far form a misleading statement. Saying that I might not have BH-5 chips is a misleading statement. And also misses the point.
But does that mean that all geil products are heretofore necessarily bad? Does this mean that we can no longer buy dell because they tried to cover up their server boards cathing on fire? Shuttle because thier nforce3 baords killed many people's A64's? Or OCZ because they had a subcontracted party deliver non-silver silver paste with their name? Or that awful, awful heatsink of theirs? It appears to me that geil's paste is in fact this stuff
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835100302
as it is what I got for free from them with the ram. It is labeled here as masscool and sells for a whopping $1.99. And if you look in the description of it, you see "Color:silver" but it does not actually purport to be silver particle paste. Maybe geil's did, and that is why you are mad at them. Good. Glad to have someone looking out for us, since that indeed isn't the type of thing one wants to let a company get away with for long. But methinks you are pretty quick to jump your guns,telling people to steer clear of an entire product range, especially when it is quite possible that geil did not know it was not selling thermal paste, much like OCZ? If Geil is just finding out now and is not taking the very high road that OCZ did, then shame on them - but I am hardly about to abandon their products based on a $1.99 tube of paste.
Intel seems to have major problems telling the truth about their cpu's - I guess those arre out the door too? Ati has stiffed us on cards and baords for around six months, so is anything based on their tech is verboten?
Your comments about the chips on the ram I still cannot figure out. Firstly, you are calling it a speech, as though I am pulling this info out of an orifice. Not only are they advertised as BH-5 in the title of the product at Newegg, but they exhibit EXACTLY the specifications of the new bh-5 chips, results which no other chips in the world can match. You come to the conclusion that a paste is silver by running tests on it - well the tests I have run on this stuff scream BH-5 from every rooftop. If they tried to swap chips for something else, it just would not work - can you name another IC that will do cas1.5 at 2.6v ddr400? as well as DDR500 cas2-2-2? And up the the DDR540 plus I am seeing at 2-2-2? Ch-5 can't, TCCD either. Not BH-6 from years ago even. And frankly whether they are BH5 or not does not matter - if I pry off the spreader and find hot pink chips with the barbie logo, I will still have ddr540 chips, and that does matter. Requiring them to say "bh-5" on them would be like saying a racing strip on a honda makes it go faster. You also must know that the new BH-5 is a blank IC, like most IC's these days, and I would pop off the spreader and either find blankness of a geil logo. Most ram comanies are even smoothiing over the twin dimples that used to give away winbond, mushkin for example. Not to mention that you are borking the warranty when you take that spreader off.
It just seems like a swipe you wanted get in on Geil, when you suggest that they are not chips that every overclocker worth his salt can identify from results alone. Show me DD1 700mhz and I'll have TCCD or TCC5 out of my mouth before you even get to the timings or voltage.
Now if you would like to say "geil misrepresents thier thermal paste and I will not buy their BH-5 until they come clean", I would not agree with that statement, but it would be far form a misleading statement. Saying that I might not have BH-5 chips is a misleading statement. And also misses the point.
