Intel Atom 330 ITX mobo - 39.90 @ frys

[MooMasster716]

We'll I should have done my research but I cant enjoy watching 720p youtube vids on this thing so its going back. I cant believe I almost bought a netbook. which only has 1 atom core.

 

[johan851]

ya its great on power... the chipset uses more power than the cpu!!!

Im tempted to pick one up just for ****s n giggles.... but i dont have a small psu that i can use with it.

Anywhere i can get one for cheap?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...1154091&cm_re=itx_case-_-11-154-091-_-Product

That's what mine is in - it's a nice little case with a perfectly good PSU. The PSU is actually really quiet, especially if you cut the grill out.

 

[nd4spdbh2]

We'll I should have done my research but I cant enjoy watching 720p youtube vids on this thing so its going back. I cant believe I almost bought a netbook. which only has 1 atom core.

hmm do you still have it?

any chance you can try and do a 720p or 1080p mkv using coreavc codec as i was wondering if its possible on the atom 330? considering my single core version in my netbook can do 720p im thinkin 1080p should be possibly... btw Flash is horid ABSOLUTE CRAP compared to a legit video codec.

 

[MooMasster716]

We'll I put Win 7 on it and noticed that I could not get the Video driver sorted out. In the device manager it kept refreshing and had a warning sign on it. When I tested the playback I used the 720p mp4 version of HOME, a great free HD movie, using the CCCP and MPC. Since Windows 7 was having issues I'm installing XP and have read else ware that coreavc make 720p playable so I'll post back when I get that running in a hour. Also, I noticed that youtube and hulu suck because of flash. Are there any PCI GFX cards that can accelerate that type of video?

 

[nd4spdbh2]

We'll I put Win 7 on it and noticed that I could not get the Video driver sorted out. In the device manager it kept refreshing and had a warning sign on it. When I tested the playback I used the 720p mp4 version of HOME, a great free HD movie, using the CCCP and MPC. Since Windows 7 was having issues I'm installing XP and have read else ware that coreavc make 720p playable so I'll post back when I get that running in a hour. Also, I noticed that youtube and hulu suck because of flash. Are there any PCI GFX cards that can accelerate that type of video?

unforunatly no.... flash is all cpu based minus a VERY select few gpus that support HW acceleration on the beta version of flash.

BTW this is the driver needed for win 7 for the onboard gfx.

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=18119&ProdId=2926&lang=eng


EDIT - btw wheres the download link for HOME... that looks awesome!

 

[benbaked]

The Flash 10.1 beta supports GPU hardware acceleration on many newer cards.

Basically: Radeon 4000-series and higher, GMA 4-series and Core i3, and pretty much the GeForce 8-series and up (and Ion/8200M/9300/etc) all support hardware acceleration in Flash 10.1.

You might want to give the beta a try.

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/fplayer10.1_hardware_acceleration.html
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/releasenotes.pdf
http://www.nvidia.com/object/gpus_supporting_adobeflash.html

EDIT: I could've sworn somebody made a PCI 4000-series Radeon (I thought it was a 4350) but I can't find it. That is a bummer, so much for Flash on that little system.

EDIT#2: Okay, PCI versions of the GF 8400 and 9500 cards can be found through newegg, you should be able to do hardware acceleration of Flash on one of those. I have failed once again at google search, time to switch to bing. Thanks n17ikh for the links.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...42 1305520548 106791921&name=GeForce 8 series

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...42 1305520548 106792522&name=GeForce 9 series

 

[MooMasster716]

WOW! CoreAvc, best $10 ever spent. I can play 1080p .mkv files like butter and with little lag. No need for GFX acceleration with this. Thanks for suggesting that nd4spdbh2, you really saved me some time. Now I'll try Windows 7 again.

And you can download home from here via torrent or of course watch/download it from youtube. It seems that the bluray version is the only way you can get the 1080p version. Theres some site selling a download to it for $4.99.

 

[nd4spdbh2]

WOW! CoreAvc, best $10 ever spent. I can play 1080p .mkv files like butter and with little lag. No need for GFX acceleration with this. Thanks for suggesting that nd4spdbh2, you really saved me some time. Now I'll try Windows 7 again.

And you can download home from here via torrent or of course watch/download it from youtube. It seems that the bluray version is the only way you can get the 1080p version. Theres some site selling a download to it for $4.99.

So you are able to play 1080p mkv's with core avc on the 330? whats the bit rate on the mkv your using and the cpu usage while playing it?

and ya Core AVC kicks *** by far the most efficient decoder out there for mkv's

 

[Evilsizer]

We'll I put Win 7 on it and noticed that I could not get the Video driver sorted out. In the device manager it kept refreshing and had a warning sign on it. When I tested the playback I used the 720p mp4 version of HOME, a great free HD movie, using the CCCP and MPC. Since Windows 7 was having issues I'm installing XP and have read else ware that coreavc make 720p playable so I'll post back when I get that running in a hour. Also, I noticed that youtube and hulu suck because of flash. Are there any PCI GFX cards that can accelerate that type of video?

NV 9400GT pci at newegg, with the newest flash being able to offload the video the GPU now. ATI is a no go in the pci area, they made some kind of unoffical statement about the pci gpus not being able to handle the video on the gpu. which is just utter crap, NV's can do it, there is no reason the ati 4350 pci cant either. it has nothing to do with the buss type either ATI just crippled the drivers in that are for all PCI based cards. i know about the ATI side, thought it was a good deal on a 4350 pci for tring out my two atoms 230 and 330.
http://www.nextlevelhardware.com/cpu/atom/
yea i know shameless plug... lol

with a NV pci card for the video to be off loaded to the gpu your are gonna spen about twice that of the atom 330 on clearance. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...48 1069609642 106792522&name=GeForce 9 series

if coreavc can split the load to both cpus on the atom 330. Better yet even use the HT threads as well it might be possible for it to do 1080p all cpu. though my testing was done with Media center classic home theater edition. which limited all to one core or one thread, regardless, imo for smooth video playback on atom with 1080p(single threaded). you need to have a atom with a clock speed around 2-2.2ghz.

 

[nd4spdbh2]

im pretty sure core avc is multi threaded..


Also again i ask wheres a cheap place to get super small psu's like the ones you find in small itx cases?

 

[Evilsizer]

im pretty sure core avc is multi threaded..


Also again i ask wheres a cheap place to get super small psu's like the ones you find in small itx cases?

never used coreavc, dont pay for programs that can be found for free. the psu powering my atom 330 still is the cheapy that came with the case. Ironic i know but the atom really doesnt take much power to be taxing to even this cheap psu. its rated at something like 250watts, this isnt whats in the case but worth the $24 imo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104999

i actually would like to get a pico-psu for my atom box, will free up alot of space. the psu even being small takes up alot of room inside the case.

 

[nd4spdbh2]

never used coreavc, dont pay for programs that can be found for free. the psu powering my atom 330 still is the cheapy that came with the case. Ironic i know but the atom really doesnt take much power to be taxing to even this cheap psu. its rated at something like 250watts, this isnt whats in the case but worth the $24 imo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817104999

i actually would like to get a pico-psu for my atom box, will free up alot of space. the psu even being small takes up alot of room inside the case.

if they offer a trial you should take a look at it... uses probably half the cpu any other .264 decoder uses

 

[MooMasster716]

Well I just cant get windows 7 to let me install the video driver. I might have to stay with XP on this one but as far as your PSU question goes, just look at this. Since a full atom system consumes about 45w I'm probably going to order this bundle. That 80w psu in the first link for $40 should do the trick.

 

[nd4spdbh2]

Well I just cant get windows 7 to let me install the video driver. I might have to stay with XP on this one but as far as your PSU question goes, just look at this. Since a full atom system consumes about 45w I'm probably going to order this bundle. That 80w psu in the first link for $40 should do the trick.

thats weird bout that video driver... try this one?

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=18223&ProdId=2115&lang=eng

Or this one

http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=18223&ProdId=2300&lang=eng


EDIT.... in doing a little testing with the latest core avc which supports cuda acceleration. W/O cuda accel on my 3.4ghz e6600 (gtx 260) i use around 35% cpu playing back a 11.6Mbit 1080p video stream (gpu engine load 0%)... using Cuda Acceleration it drops cpu down to around 8-10% and gpu engine load up to ~32ish. Dunno how handy it is on lower end cuda cards but id imagine its alot more than nothing haha.

 

[MooMasster716]

The 1080p clip is this one.
Now to test those drivers and get this fixed.

 

[Evilsizer]

EDIT.... in doing a little testing with the latest core avc which supports cuda acceleration. W/O cuda accel on my 3.4ghz e6600 (gtx 260) i use around 35% cpu playing back a 11.6Mbit 1080p video stream (gpu engine load 0%)... using Cuda Acceleration it drops cpu down to around 8-10% and gpu engine load up to ~32ish. Dunno how handy it is on lower end cuda cards but id imagine its alot more than nothing haha.

well thats the interesting thing huh? In your case really isnt that much better going to GPU since your still using 8-10% assuming that is just the program alone to 32% gpu load. thats more total load then just the cpu, which uses more power?

even with the 16SP 9400GT it will have higher GFlops then the atom will. the trade off using the GPU on the atom setup makes more sense. since core avc might use all the cpu to make play back smooth. to the 9400GT using 50-80%(guess here) to do the same job with a possible 10-20% on the atom. with the case of the atom 330 that is still another core that is free to do work on what would have been highly taxed cpu for just video playback.

Dont forget as well there is the 9500GT at newegg in PCI form with 32SP's. if the trend is still the same with NV vs ATI though, NV's purevideo on the gpu. is more clock dependent, so you could oc the 9400GT and get more/better performance for video decoding then the 9500GT. then there was the article i read that the 9400GT doesnt have some features the higher end cards do in the NV control panel. if i do remember right, i think they updated the article to show that the options where added for the 9400GT in later drivers. im not to sure but something to check out depending on if the feature is something your after in your video playback. so many things running threw my mind i cant remember the feature they were even talking about.

*edit*
here is just a hand full of article i read on PV vs AVVIO
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/avivo-purevideo-hd,1622.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/1809
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=3&id=2478
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=407&Itemid=38
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews.php?reviewid=552

here is one i just found and never read, off to read!
http://www.behardware.com/news/8117/coreavc-stronger-than-avivo-purevideo.html *edit*<- just noticed its dated from 2006. hmm time to see if there is a updated one...