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Intel Fixes E-Cores For Gaming, Doesn’t Give 12th & 13th Gen Users The Fix! APO Testing
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I didn't get a chance to sit through it all, but 2 games (so far)?
I'd also like some details on how this works... maybe Gavin (Anand) or Paul (Tom's) will write something up. Me, I'm going to read all about it. lol
www.intel.com
I'd also like some details on how this works... maybe Gavin (Anand) or Paul (Tom's) will write something up. Me, I'm going to read all about it. lol
Intel® Application Optimization Overview
Explains Intel® Application Optimization for gaming optimization.
www.intel.com
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It looks like APO was initially reported some weeks ago but it evaded my radar as it was a footnote in 14th gen release. Will see how this develops.
Thinking more generally on the (lack of) previous gen support, there were bigger changes between 12-13, than 13-14. When nvidia get called out for similar, there is usually a known hardware reason for the difference. I'm not aware of Intel saying similar in this case, or of any known changes that could explain this.
Thinking more generally on the (lack of) previous gen support, there were bigger changes between 12-13, than 13-14. When nvidia get called out for similar, there is usually a known hardware reason for the difference. I'm not aware of Intel saying similar in this case, or of any known changes that could explain this.
It could just be a soft limitation... we don't, for sure, know this CAN'T work with older gen e-cores. We know it doesn't, currently. If there's an internal hardware difference, I'd be surprised.
It feels like they give people a reason to buy 14th gen CPUs as they sell poorly, and the whole web is full of "don't buy 14th gen, it's actually the same as 13th gen".
Everything I saw suggests there are barely any changes, so I'm curious if Intel added something on the hardware level or simply locks it with BIOS/microcode or software.
Everything I saw suggests there are barely any changes, so I'm curious if Intel added something on the hardware level or simply locks it with BIOS/microcode or software.
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Is 14th gen selling poorly? IMO if someone were to build a new Intel system today, there is little reason to pick 13th gen over the same model 14th gen part. At least in UK, the cost of the 14th model is fractionally more than the same placed 13th gen part. If the price of the 13th gen were much lower relative to 14th gen it could complicate matters, but we're not there. If you have a 12 or 13 gen based system, you probably shouldn't be looking at 14th unless you're moving up tiers at the same time. Older gens will see a big increase regardless.
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For anyone who doesn't want to watch the video or otherwise can't, there's a write up of it at https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-c...n-optimization-apo-on-12th-13th-gen-core-cpus
Actually, a couple of days we heard that only 7800X3D is selling better than all Intel CPUs together - one of the reposts https://en.overclocking.com/the-ryzen-7-7800x3d-is-finally-a-bestseller/
Intel CPUs are really not selling well when you look at numbers. The same story is in other countries and distribution that I know.
Intel CPUs are really not selling well when you look at numbers. The same story is in other countries and distribution that I know.
Well, it's a mix one 7000 series up top, several 5000 series, 2 7000 series, then Intel. AMD is selling better, but not sure if Intel considers that poor? I wouldn't expect the 14900K to sell more than chips that costs half the price and a gen old.
People seem to be extraordinarily horny over the X3D chips... and to me, for little reason (improvements are mostly MEH, and sees improvements in a minority of games.
I guess AMD got off the core count wars, lol.
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I'd agree that if someone were to build a system with the primary focus on high performance gaming, the 7800X3D will likely fit that sweet spot, in all of performance, price and power consumption. Higher end Intel on average is within touching distance, but we see big differences in some games. Like with Zen 3 generation, the win isn't across the board, but it is an "average" win for AMD here.
I'd also caution at the "14th gen isn't selling" line. Is it 14th gen in particular, or just Intel in general? Those sellers focus on a specific part of the PC space: the self builder or maybe smaller commercial builders who aren't big enough to get a trade account. This is probably only just a small part of the PC gaming space, never mind the wider PC space in general. I really wish Steam Hardware Survey split out CPU models like it did GPU models, as that gives a better indication of what is out there as it would also cover sales channels outside of component retail. Is the self builder crowd even significant compared to big box shifters?
From the mindfactory numbers previously linked:
Ryzen 7000: 1870
Ryzen 5000: 1960
Intel 14: 360
Intel 13: 110
So it looks like even with that limited data, 14th gen is outselling 13th gen that week. AMD is vastly outselling either, but that's beside the point. You could have a stronger case to say Ryzen 7000 isn't selling as well as 5000.
Edit: I found the similar GPU data for illustration about the interpretation of such:
AMD have the volume advantage over nvidia at mindfactory that week. Look at Steam Hardware Survey, and for all the "bad sales" claims nvidia 40 series have attracted, that series alone is greater than all AMD GPU users in total. Not even close.
I'd also caution at the "14th gen isn't selling" line. Is it 14th gen in particular, or just Intel in general? Those sellers focus on a specific part of the PC space: the self builder or maybe smaller commercial builders who aren't big enough to get a trade account. This is probably only just a small part of the PC gaming space, never mind the wider PC space in general. I really wish Steam Hardware Survey split out CPU models like it did GPU models, as that gives a better indication of what is out there as it would also cover sales channels outside of component retail. Is the self builder crowd even significant compared to big box shifters?
From the mindfactory numbers previously linked:
Ryzen 7000: 1870
Ryzen 5000: 1960
Intel 14: 360
Intel 13: 110
So it looks like even with that limited data, 14th gen is outselling 13th gen that week. AMD is vastly outselling either, but that's beside the point. You could have a stronger case to say Ryzen 7000 isn't selling as well as 5000.
Edit: I found the similar GPU data for illustration about the interpretation of such:
AMD have the volume advantage over nvidia at mindfactory that week. Look at Steam Hardware Survey, and for all the "bad sales" claims nvidia 40 series have attracted, that series alone is greater than all AMD GPU users in total. Not even close.
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Well, if 13th and 14th gen cost almost the same, then I doubt that anyone will choose the older one, which is also slower 1:1. It doesn't change the fact that compared to AMD, Intel is not selling well in the last few weeks/months. Even gathered together 360 14th gen CPUs is a pretty bad result when we talk about 3 large suppliers. Even skipping Amazon, MindFactory is one of the largest distributors in the EU and they sell in retail and also to sub-distributors in the whole EU. These numbers are pretty bad.
The volume also suggests that distribution is not ordering things that are not selling. My local sub-distributors have only a few 14th-generation CPUs available in stock. You can order as many as you want, which will be available in 1-2 days. They simply don't buy things for stock that are not selling fast or in large quantities because of currency changes (everything is in EUR or USD).
The volume also suggests that distribution is not ordering things that are not selling. My local sub-distributors have only a few 14th-generation CPUs available in stock. You can order as many as you want, which will be available in 1-2 days. They simply don't buy things for stock that are not selling fast or in large quantities because of currency changes (everything is in EUR or USD).
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