MMORG what to play.

[Lusankya]

Pkers getting a bad rep dosen't need my help.. they do just fine ruining their rep themselves.

mixed uo/eq.. It was an example using the levels.. I know UO dosn't have levels but tis easier to understand in those terms the master, grandmaster, etc...

All griefers began as pkers. You may not have pk'd noobies but enough of your kind did that it resulted in companys limiting pvp...

Remember.. in UO anywhere NOT in town was pvp so its not like anyone had any choice for pvp if they wanted to do anything more then sit in down drinking they had to go out into the pvp area where they were usually ganked w/i a few minutes

 

[InThrees]

Yeah, if you're a pk'er, and you're looking for a good fight, but you can't find one... what do you do when you see that miner, just about naked, leading a packhorse around?

9 out of 10 pk'ers had this to say:

CORP POR CORP POR MAN YOU WENT DOWN EASY

That's why my GM miner mined from a boat, I made like 500,000 gold a weekend doing that

edited to clarify

Well, 500k is my record weekend. Most weekends of serious mining netted about 200 - 300k in sales. Mine the polar cap from end to end, stopping at the beginning and end to use my verite / valorite runebooks to pop around and mine the spots.

 

[Banyan]

Shadowbane is going to turn into a big Grief Fest simply because of one guild, Lords of Death. They all go out on hunting trips camping spots where ppl lvl at and just kill them non stop. you can barely make it out of the safe zone without being raped. Thing is, all the pkers are like "The game is supposed to be PvP" i can agree with that, i just hate the fact that a Rank 6 has to go wipe out a Rank 2 group just to feel good about himself. Luckily im an Mage Assasin and can dish out more Damage than any other class in the game, so i can hold my own. its great though to sneak up on some big shot pker in the LoD guild, backstab him and kill him before he knows what the hell happened then steal his money Its hard to do that all the time though simply because it seems like every LoD guy has a scout as an escort. Scouts can see me when im invis and sneaking around. i just kill the LoD guys though.

maybe i will try that game... it would provide some fun for a *little* while killing lame griefers. do they offer a trial period?

this whole thing started to come up in the eve beta... people getting upset that corps would take control of a system and defend it's *resources* by either kicking out or killing intruders etc... the thing is, all the people whining about this were completely lame. *it* gives the game depth and content. you get pk'ed by a certain guild, corp whatever, go and join a group or start one and go get some payback etc. to me, imho - being relatively new to mmog's, i wouldn't want to pay for a huge co-op single-player game, i want to play with and against other HUMANS. i will never subscribe to a game to fight ai and not people... NEVER.

 

[TollPhree]

Pkers getting a bad rep dosen't need my help.. they do just fine ruining their rep themselves.

mixed uo/eq.. It was an example using the levels.. I know UO dosn't have levels but tis easier to understand in those terms the master, grandmaster, etc...

All griefers began as pkers. You may not have pk'd noobies but enough of your kind did that it resulted in companys limiting pvp...

Remember.. in UO anywhere NOT in town was pvp so its not like anyone had any choice for pvp if they wanted to do anything more then sit in down drinking they had to go out into the pvp area where they were usually ganked w/i a few minutes

I played back during the "PK era" Pre uor

I remember pker groups going willy nilly. SO you always hunted with a bunch of people. Like in decite. I personly wasnt much of a pvper back then so I cant say much. But later on after 8 hours per a kill. I learned pvp after that I didn't get pkd.

Its just unfair to say pkers are soo bad. Pkers make game fun. WHy play a game where there are no risks? Thats why I hate uo now, everyone is in Newbie tram where if u die u don't even get looted.
anyway. Worlds war craft will rock. or eq2

 

[OC Noob]

PKers are player killing scum

They inhabit most MMORPG games and run around in packs of 3 or more. They are the type of player that the vast majority of the RPG players hate. Why you ask? Because when you are a newbie trying to level up to say.. level 5.. How fun is it for you to get ganked by 5 tank mages probably avg lvl 20 each.? How about getting repeatedly rez killed?

See the pker thinks and says "Hey its all in good fun.. its only a game" The problem is.. its not fun for those that get killed.

Aww did it take you 4 hours of fighting chickens to make enough stuff to sell so you could buy that somewhat decent sword?? Well guess what.. the pker dosen't care.. he will come along and kill you and take your new sowrd.. Does he need it? no.. will he use it?? no he will probably just drop it somewhere and let it vanish.

So you think.. ok go back to town and get another sword..
OH no they took that 200 gold you had.. now you have to spend the next 5 hours killing chickens again so you can get your sword... But no.. every 20 minutes or so.. another pk squad shows up and kills you again.

Whats that you say??? you loose skill everytime you get killed?? "Well too bad" says the pker while his buddies laugh as such an unskilled noob 'its just a game.."

PKers destroyed UO cause noone wanted to go out of the towns cause pking was rampant. Pkers whined and cried cause all their easy targets were gone and all that was left were other pkers and players that could put up a fight and strike back at the pk squad.

So all of us in "carebear land" are happily killing chickens in peace for that measly 200 gold w/o fear of getting slaughtered by a lvl 30 tank mage and his band of scum.

Splitting the worlds of UO into 2 seperate places was the end result... the cause was too much pking.

Splitting the worlds was the cure.. pkers were and always will be a disease

That is so true in all MMORPGs. It happened in Asheron's Call, it happened in DAoC, I never played on the EQ PvP server, but I'll bet it hppened there too.

90% of PKers are lamers that gank noobs for laughs. Noobs menaing someone who is low enough level that they have no chance of defending themselves.

The worst thing is most of them think they are such badasses for doing it.

 

[cerberus]

must... not... insert... ultima cd.... *beats hand against desk*

 

[InThrees]

Hahaha, I know the feeling, Cerberus.

I miss it, it was a lot of fun. All I have to do to stop wanting to go back, though, is think about the server problems (like the 286 they were SURELY hosting Lake Inferior on) and the godawful amounts of time I dumped into the game - time I just don't have.

If you want to be really good in an MMORPG, it's a second job. Well, first job, actually, since your real job just supports you while you play.

If you want to play only occasionally, you won't have many friends in game, and those you do make friends with will advance waaay past your skill level in short time.

 

[TollPhree]

Im gona start playing ultima cerb =P hehe I need somthing to do while im waiting for other games to come out.

People who hate pkers, hate them becasue there not good enouf of pvpers to fight back. If you don't like pvp and ur playing DAOC or Shadowbane. UR IN THE WRONG GAME. IF you dont like pvp in ultima go to tramel, if u dont like pvp in eq DONT play on the pvp server

ur all making me mad.. jesus

 

[fiji]

UO... was lousy with pkers that made it pointless to even lerave town..

See what the pkers will never admit is they caused their own problem.. too many predators.. not enough prey...

They turned Fellucia into a rotting cesspool so you only have yourselves to blame once everyone else could actually play w/o fear of getting gangbanged by 12 tank mages thinking they were tough **** for slaughtering a lowly woodchopper with a newbie axe

pking wasnt the problem, all those damn bread bakers were!!!

 

[OC Noob]

Im gona start playing ultima cerb =P hehe I need somthing to do while im waiting for other games to come out.

People who hate pkers, hate them becasue there not good enouf of pvpers to fight back.

People don't hate PKers because they aren't good enough to fight back. RPG fighting genreally requires very little skill. People hate pvp because they CAN'T fight back. The difference in numbers or level (always level usually numbers and level) is so great that the person doesn't stand a chance. i.e. ganking. Ganking is rampent in all 100% pvp games and that is why everyone has been a failure compared to its regulated/non-pvp counterpart.

In DAoC realm vs Realm is so much better because it is level limited in some places, in others you can only duel when you accept it. I like it so much more because it evens the playing field and am "good enough to fight back" when the person doesn't have some rediculous advantage that I can in NO way counter.

 

[InThrees]

The difference is PLAYERS play the game by PLAYING the game. You wear your good armor, carry your good weapons, have lots of reagents and good items.

PKers use just what they need to have a good chance at killing you, and that's it. That's all they want, is to kill someone and steal their stuff. Many of them want to do it just because they know it'll ruin your night / hour / whatever.

If they die, it's an inconvenience while they find a friend to ressurect them and they replenish the 100 gold worth of crap weapons and armor they had.

If you die and they loot all your stuff, it's a lot more than an inconvenience.

They aren't 'playing' the game, they're basically exploiting it.

Honorable PVPers are a different story, but they're a rare breed.

 

[WuChild]

EQ is the ultimate Player vs. Environment MMORPG out there. I'm on hiatus because of my last year of college, but it's kept me busy for 4 years.

65 Monk, various twinks...

There is indeed a lot to do, and the PvE aspect is key, it gives you time to enjoy what the developers have taken the time to put in the game.

 

[Banyan]

PvE? you mean weather, going to the beach, and camping in the woods and stuff. or do you mean fighting *ai* monsters etc?

 

[OC Noob]

PvE is the monsters. Not sure why the call it player vs environment. Maybe the guy who started the term was an anti-tree hugging right winger


AC1 on Darktide is a very good PvP place too if you like 100% pvp. It requires more skill then EQ because it is faster paced, but buffing armor all the time was too much of a hassle.

 

[TollPhree]

People don't hate PKers because they aren't good enough to fight back. RPG fighting genreally requires very little skill. People hate pvp because they CAN'T fight back. The difference in numbers or level (always level usually numbers and level) is so great that the person doesn't stand a chance. i.e. ganking. Ganking is rampent in all 100% pvp games and that is why everyone has been a failure compared to its regulated/non-pvp counterpart.

In DAoC realm vs Realm is so much better because it is level limited in some places, in others you can only duel when you accept it. I like it so much more because it evens the playing field and am "good enough to fight back" when the person doesn't have some rediculous advantage that I can in NO way counter.

Ultima is not this way thou its so easy to get up to a place where you can fight back. this isnt like shadowbane where me a mage asssin could take out a group of 12 lvl 30s

Ultima works differnt.

BW As a pker I wore the best items I had, it kept my alive. I pkd for money true. but not to ruin a persons night. SO what if its gona make u feel bad I can't pk you?

 

[OC Noob]

Ultima is not this way thou its so easy to get up to a place where you can fight back. this isnt like shadowbane where me a mage asssin could take out a group of 12 lvl 30s

Ultima works differnt.

BW As a pker I wore the best items I had, it kept my alive. I pkd for money true. but not to ruin a persons night. SO what if its gona make u feel bad I can't pk you?

On the contrary if several groups a night enjoy ruining my night and destroying everything I am working towards, even sending me backwards (this is the important part) AND I AM HELPLESS BECAUSE THEY HAVE SUCH AN ADVANTAGE THAT IT WOULD BE A MILLION TO ONE SHOT OF ME BEATING THEM that ****es me off and I refuse to play a game like that.

If I had even a 10-1 shot of winning the fight I wouldn't complain and if it only happened once maybe twice a night (where I had 0 chance of winning) it wouldn't be so bad.

Level based games are much worse since a 5 level difference is magnified, but I've been kill by higher level that I stood no chance against in RvR and don't mind. Now if they were able to camp noob hunting zones it would be different, but DAoC regulates PvP and that kind of junk can't happen.

You can make me feel bad all you want so long as its for a decent reason or I have some kind of shot.

You silly PKers think use "carebears" are afraid of pvp which is simply not true. To us it is the way we spend our leisure time and don't want constant fustration due to some pimple faced 13 year olds (or aldults) who have had a bad day at school (or is just a jerk) and is taking it out on the little guy standing in front of them.

 

[Lusankya]

We have nothing against PvP... but you PKers initiate PvP w/o asking or caring if the wool farmer you happened across only has a dagger and a pair of shears.. He is still a victim and you slaughter him then laugh at him cause he didn't put up a fight. Then you run when those that are strong enough show up.

When someone logs in for an hour of mining.. do you honestly think they enjoy ending up spending 30 minutes of that time running back to the bank and getting re-equiped after being ganked for standing next to a mountian with a pack horse that you will most likely have to replace now since they most likely slaughtered it also.

You said "if you don't like PvP then go to trammel"

We did.. now the only PvP we get is when we choose it... not when you happen to wander by

 

[TollPhree]

We have nothing against PvP... but you PKers initiate PvP w/o asking or caring if the wool farmer you happened across only has a dagger and a pair of shears.. He is still a victim and you slaughter him then laugh at him cause he didn't put up a fight. Then you run when those that are strong enough show up.

When someone logs in for an hour of mining.. do you honestly think they enjoy ending up spending 30 minutes of that time running back to the bank and getting re-equiped after being ganked for standing next to a mountian with a pack horse that you will most likely have to replace now since they most likely slaughtered it also.

You said "if you don't like PvP then go to trammel"

We did.. now the only PvP we get is when we choose it... not when you happen to wander by

I woulodnt be much of a pker if I asked you first if I can pk you hehe.

Trammel IS set up for people who don't want pvp. So yes if your in fel I will pk you no matter what you are period. ITS way it works. I mean these games have PVP build in, and almost every game has a alterntive to pvp.

 

[OC Noob]

I woulodnt be much of a pker if I asked you first if I can pk you hehe.

Trammel IS set up for people who don't want pvp. So yes if your in fel I will pk you no matter what you are period. ITS way it works. I mean these games have PVP build in, and almost every game has a alterntive to pvp.

You should try Asheron's Call Darktide server. I know people who are used to other MMORPGs always say AC is terrible, but thats just because the game play is so different. It is very fast action and solo oriented which is something thats not easy for a...say...EQer to get over.

Anyway, it requires more skill for sure then most other games because it is so fast paced and its probably the best 100% pvp MMORPG that I have played. Never played Ultima or most of the new sci-fi games except AO.

If you are bored you should try it and give it more then a day or two to get over the initial system shock.

 

[TollPhree]

sorry ultima is my mistress and always will be