The BE series has arrived!

[AlabamaCajun]

that helps but i dont think funny is getting the point. no matter what its still core 2 under the hood. no amount of L2 cache is going to change that. "core 2" was never set in stone to be used by cpu with a certian L2 cache.


*edit*
@ funny
if a horse has 2 legs is it still a horse?

Agreed, an Allendale is not a Conroe but I'm still not sure but I think Conroe has some enhancements over Allendale besides cache!

Now what I'm looking for is the stepping on the BE's are they G2 or H1 ? (not to be confused with "LCBBE").
"A horse is horse, of corse of corse!"

 

[MadMan007]

http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q2/athlon-x2-be2350/index.x?pg=14

3GHz oc although some places didn't get near those results. Of course at that point it's no better power draw than a regular x2, these are really just binned for undervolting CPUs just like previous low-wattage x2s. Very nice for a SFF HTPC, although it would be a pretty close tossup between these and the e2xxx Pentium dual cores. I guess as funnyperson said the chipset makes the difference, as long as the integrated graphics are used. Otherwise a cheap 8600GT would even things out.

 

[AlabamaCajun]

Found it, AMD reports it as stepping G1 where CPUZ thinks it's an F1
http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/Default.aspx

Added; What I just realized here is that AMD is making progress on the K10 wafers. Just before the transition to Dual Core, there was a power adjustment to the single cores which I think were the Venice E6. Getting the mainstream CPUs down to 45W means the power distribution plane on the chip has been adjusted requiring less voltage to keep the power plane saturated which means added stability. You can also see that the upper thermal limit is higher. With both of these issues looking good then OC should be a cakewalk.
For the K10 that means 65-90W for four cores with 4 power planes with 45-50watt models arriving later.

 

[Oroka Sempai]

Appearantly they are releasing a 9w Sempron 2100 for passive cooled systems. Yes 9w!

 

[splat]

Appearantly they are releasing a 9w Sempron 2100 for passive cooled systems. Yes 9w!

should compete with the via itx systems. hopefully it will perform better cause I deifnitely plan on making a carputer within the next year.

as for these new 45w amd's, I'm not impressed at all. that anandtech article showed the systems with the 45w chips using MORE power than the same system with a brisbane 65w chip...and more than the e4300 system and the e6300 system.

So much for saving power...all they did was reduce overclockability and performance.

 

[AlabamaCajun]

Don't take any AMD tests from Anandtech to serious. For power consumption the First, they used a 1.8 vs 1.9 and 2.1 which makes a slight difference. Next they measure total MAX wattage where another team used RMS consumtion. Under the RMS test, the AMD scores lower in power cons. Your Watthour meter uses that principle to charge you for power cons. Also a P965 is a low end NB where the 590SLI is high end chipset. We don't exactly have apples and oranges here, Anand thru in a few banana peels also.

 

[Evilsizer]

well by intel the 965 is mainstream, with 975x as high end. the lowend intel chipset would be 945. the 590 today is more main stream then when it first came out. the 680 would be the new high end chipset from NV.

i completly lost my train of thought, if i get it back i will edit my post.

 

[funnyperson1]

should compete with the via itx systems. hopefully it will perform better cause I deifnitely plan on making a carputer within the next year.

as for these new 45w amd's, I'm not impressed at all. that anandtech article showed the systems with the 45w chips using MORE power than the same system with a brisbane 65w chip...and more than the e4300 system and the e6300 system.

So much for saving power...all they did was reduce overclockability and performance.

They tested Energy Efficient HTPC chips in the power gobbling 590SLI boards. With a 690g system the AMD systems would definitely be using less power.

 

[Rinne]

should compete with the via itx systems. hopefully it will perform better cause I deifnitely plan on making a carputer within the next year.

as for these new 45w amd's, I'm not impressed at all. that anandtech article showed the systems with the 45w chips using MORE power than the same system with a brisbane 65w chip...and more than the e4300 system and the e6300 system.

So much for saving power...all they did was reduce overclockability and performance.

Here's a review from a german site that I have found quite reliable in the past, showing off the power consumption being much lower than the actual 45w that it is rated and being lower than the 65w equal.
They have modified the mainboard to measure the exact wattage directly from the cpu, btw.

The higher idle wattage comes from the board not being capable to lower the voltage on those processors even more!

http://www.hardtecs4u.com/reviews/2007/amd_be2xxx/index5.php

from what I have seen so far these cpu's overclock very similar to the 65w versions, what doesn't surprise me, as they are just cherry picked processors.

 

[AlabamaCajun]

well by intel the 965 is mainstream, with 975x as high end. the lowend intel chipset would be 945. the 590 today is more main stream then when it first came out. the 680 would be the new high end chipset from NV.

i completly lost my train of thought, if i get it back i will edit my post.

680i Is intel where 680a is AMD dual socket 1207F. 590 is still the top NV dog in the 1P world. You are correct about the 965, I said low end but but even still, mainstream products use less to wattage than enthusiasts boards.

 

[SLee]

Here's a review from a german site that I have found quite reliable in the past, showing off the power consumption being much lower than the actual 45w that it is rated and being lower than the 65w equal.
They have modified the mainboard to measure the exact wattage directly from the cpu, btw.

The higher idle wattage comes from the board not being capable to lower the voltage on those processors even more!

http://www.hardtecs4u.com/reviews/2007/amd_be2xxx/index5.php

It also shows them unable to match the latest C2Ds:

http://www.hardtecs4u.com/reviews/2007/amd_cpu_roundup2007/index28.php

 

[Evilsizer]

680i Is intel where 680a is AMD dual socket 1207F. 590 is still the top NV dog in the 1P world. You are correct about the 965, I said low end but but even still, mainstream products use less to wattage than enthusiasts boards.

im not tring to nit pick here but i didnt say 680i, i just said 680.

 

[deathman20]

Did you guys miss this? AMD is getting there!

I'll have to commit on this one. Ocing my CPU from 3.0Ghz to 3.6Ghz bearly moved my score on this. It benifits more from an GPU than it does with higher CPU in this benchmark. As well look at some of the other tests on that page it shows that those chips is right around the score of the X2-3800. Thats if you can believe them. That is a pretty low res they are running in that test and should of run it at 1600x1200 at least to strain parts on that system. I get roughly those scores on my rig.

 

[AlabamaCajun]

im not tring to nit pick here but i didnt say 680i, i just said 680.

To be honest, you could run the AMD cpu on just about any ATI or NV chipset excluding the integrated GFX and get the same results in a non-SLI system. I have an i965 with a Allendale 4300 that is a dog. Like the 865 cousin to my 875 the 875 would eat 2 865s for breakfast. I would just like this test to be done more scientifically not half-as5.

 

[Evilsizer]

well i ran a E4300 @3ghz in a ab9-pro (p965) it was no dog. though my E6400 ran much better @3ghz but the E6400 had a higher fsb.

 

[Evilsizer]

one more news site to add to the list
http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q2/athlon-x2-be2350/index.x?pg=1

though look here on page 6
http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q2/athlon-x2-be2350/index.x?pg=6
interesting how the E4300 @1.8ghz is not far behind the [email protected]. The E4300 isnt that much more then the BE-2350 i still would like to see the intel E2160 added to that list since it is 1.8ghz with 1mb of L2 to match the BE's and some x2's.

*edit*
page 13 is also another one to look at
http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q2/athlon-x2-be2350/index.x?pg=13

 

[Rinne]

It also shows them unable to match the latest C2Ds:

http://www.hardtecs4u.com/reviews/2007/amd_cpu_roundup2007/index28.php

Never forget that the architecture is still the original K8 (although called K9 now), just in 65nm and cherry picked..
It was never meant to outpace C2D!

 

[splat]

I'll have to commit on this one. Ocing my CPU from 3.0Ghz to 3.6Ghz bearly moved my score on this. It benifits more from an GPU than it does with higher CPU in this benchmark. As well look at some of the other tests on that page it shows that those chips is right around the score of the X2-3800. Thats if you can believe them. That is a pretty low res they are running in that test and should of run it at 1600x1200 at least to strain parts on that system. I get roughly those scores on my rig.

I know that in a lot of old reviews, they would run games at 800x600 or lower to put all of the emphasis on the processor and not the vid card. I suppose you can get around this by using the exact same video card in each system, which I'm sure they did in those old reviews anyway, but I think there was some more technical reasons why they chose to run at the lower res.

 

[AlabamaCajun]

well i ran a E4300 @3ghz in a ab9-pro (p965) it was no dog. though my E6400 ran much better @3ghz but the E6400 had a higher fsb.

OK, it may just be my mobo a DG965ry.

Never forget that the architecture is still the original K8 (although called K9 now), just in 65nm and cherry picked..
It was never meant to outpace C2D!

Unless you can show otherwise, this would actually be K8L. But, is it possible that tech originally intended for K9 is in Brisbane (though I've seen nothing to support or deny it).

 

[AlabamaCajun]

one more news site to add to the list
http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q2/athlon-x2-be2350/index.x?pg=1

though look here on page 6
http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q2/athlon-x2-be2350/index.x?pg=6
interesting how the E4300 @1.8ghz is not far behind the [email protected]. The E4300 isnt that much more then the BE-2350 i still would like to see the intel E2160 added to that list since it is 1.8ghz with 1mb of L2 to match the BE's and some x2's.

*edit*
page 13 is also another one to look at
http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q2/athlon-x2-be2350/index.x?pg=13

Good find. This shows a different story with and AMD690 chipset.

This gives me new ideas about that HTPC/PVR that I'll have to build next year to replace cable TV when they drop the analog signal from cable. I'm already fed up with $45 for basic cable. Internet TV should surface by then where you buy and subscribe to what you want. Look for under-volting and underclocking to start being the next in thing!