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- Feb 18, 2002
Western Digital weekly sale has 16TB Red Pro and WD Gold both on sale for $299.
Paypal store had 12% cashback so effectively $263 for WD Gold 16TB - I pulled the trigger.
First, it's not really clear why I shouldn't choose Gold over Red Pro, since Gold Specs are better, minus energy consumption, which, what would that be in real dollars, savings on energy between the two?
Second, basic search says do not use WD Gold in desktops, it is overkill for its expense, plus TLER is not good for Desktop non-Raid.
It's always a problem when they start talking about money because for some reason, it never occurs to them that eventually, like this week, these things DO go on sale. And they become cheaper than regular stuff, so money is no longer the reason, TLER is. Here are two quotes I pulled from the Internet.
Post your thoughts on the downsides of using TLER on a regular desktop, [all things being equal with pricing],
was it a good or a bad idea to go with WD Gold?
Quotes:
"WD Gold is ... a higher quality drive than WD Black - but it is not as suitable for desktop use.... since the Gold... drives have TLER-Time Limited Error Recovery - which limits the amount of time a drive will attempt to recover an error. TLER is necessary for drives used in RAID to reduce the chance a drive will drop out of the RAID due to excessive time being taken to recover form an error. Desktop drives, like the WD Blacks, have no need for TLER and thus are less prone to losing data due to errors..."
and
"Drives with TLER are specifically designed for redundant RAID arrays. TLER is a drive function, where if the drive has difficulty accessing a portion of data, it will give up quickly and report an unreadable condition to the host controller. This timing is usually around 6-7 seconds maximum. The reasoning for this is that in a redundant array, all the data can be accessed or reconstructed from parity using other drives. The host controller then uses the remap function on the hard drive to mark those sectors bad, and writes the reconstructed data to spare sectors. This whole process happens seamlessly and without interruption or degradation of the RAID array. If it happens so many times that it runs out of spare sectors, the drive will be dropped from the array and marked as bad.
If you use a drive configured with TLER in a non-redundant configuration, such as a single drive or in a RAID0, the drive still acts the same - it quickly gives up reading the data. This will usually cause CRC or other errors to display in the operating system, and the data will not be able to be read. Naturally, this results in a loss of that data.
In contrast, a drive designed for use in desktop systems as single drives don’t have this timeout. Without TLER, the drive will literally try forever to get that data (and more often than not will eventually succeed). The operating system will appear to be extremely slow or frozen at this time, as it is waiting for the drive to become responsive again. If a drive without TLER is used in a redundant RAID, it will essentially cause the RAID to be degraded immediately upon hitting a single unreadable sector since the drive will appear to have become unresponsive to the host controller.
The short answer of it is…
To avoid unnecessary down time and headaches, don’t use a drive without TLER in a redundant RAID array.
It’s OK to use a drive with TLER in a non-redundant configuration, just be aware it will be more difficult to recover data from sectors that develop issues."
Paypal store had 12% cashback so effectively $263 for WD Gold 16TB - I pulled the trigger.
First, it's not really clear why I shouldn't choose Gold over Red Pro, since Gold Specs are better, minus energy consumption, which, what would that be in real dollars, savings on energy between the two?
Second, basic search says do not use WD Gold in desktops, it is overkill for its expense, plus TLER is not good for Desktop non-Raid.
It's always a problem when they start talking about money because for some reason, it never occurs to them that eventually, like this week, these things DO go on sale. And they become cheaper than regular stuff, so money is no longer the reason, TLER is. Here are two quotes I pulled from the Internet.
Post your thoughts on the downsides of using TLER on a regular desktop, [all things being equal with pricing],
was it a good or a bad idea to go with WD Gold?
Quotes:
"WD Gold is ... a higher quality drive than WD Black - but it is not as suitable for desktop use.... since the Gold... drives have TLER-Time Limited Error Recovery - which limits the amount of time a drive will attempt to recover an error. TLER is necessary for drives used in RAID to reduce the chance a drive will drop out of the RAID due to excessive time being taken to recover form an error. Desktop drives, like the WD Blacks, have no need for TLER and thus are less prone to losing data due to errors..."
and
"Drives with TLER are specifically designed for redundant RAID arrays. TLER is a drive function, where if the drive has difficulty accessing a portion of data, it will give up quickly and report an unreadable condition to the host controller. This timing is usually around 6-7 seconds maximum. The reasoning for this is that in a redundant array, all the data can be accessed or reconstructed from parity using other drives. The host controller then uses the remap function on the hard drive to mark those sectors bad, and writes the reconstructed data to spare sectors. This whole process happens seamlessly and without interruption or degradation of the RAID array. If it happens so many times that it runs out of spare sectors, the drive will be dropped from the array and marked as bad.
If you use a drive configured with TLER in a non-redundant configuration, such as a single drive or in a RAID0, the drive still acts the same - it quickly gives up reading the data. This will usually cause CRC or other errors to display in the operating system, and the data will not be able to be read. Naturally, this results in a loss of that data.
In contrast, a drive designed for use in desktop systems as single drives don’t have this timeout. Without TLER, the drive will literally try forever to get that data (and more often than not will eventually succeed). The operating system will appear to be extremely slow or frozen at this time, as it is waiting for the drive to become responsive again. If a drive without TLER is used in a redundant RAID, it will essentially cause the RAID to be degraded immediately upon hitting a single unreadable sector since the drive will appear to have become unresponsive to the host controller.
The short answer of it is…
To avoid unnecessary down time and headaches, don’t use a drive without TLER in a redundant RAID array.
It’s OK to use a drive with TLER in a non-redundant configuration, just be aware it will be more difficult to recover data from sectors that develop issues."