SOLVED What fans for Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO?

[Proxish]

You seem to know an awful lot about cooling. So I'm going to go with your suggestion of the HR-02. It's quieter, better, and only an extra £10, which I think is worth it. That also means I don't need to move my ram, and I can buy a second fan for it to increase cooling. Every C helps lol.

Right, as for fans. Are you suggesting the TY-147 for the HR-02?

For my case, I was just going to go with more of what it has built in, the NZXT fans, I want maximum cooling on this thing, and was thinking that keeping brand would be good. My only concern is noise, but the built in NZXT fans are quite quiet, can't hear a thing when any sort of music is playing.

Right now I have a spare:
140mm front.
200mm top.
200mm/230mm Side (Unsure if this will fit when HR-02 is installed)
(Case Dimensions 222 x 540 x 623mm

I was looking at buying 2x 200mm and 1x 140mm, all with blue leds. Those three would cost £42. Stupid expensive... Are they necessary?
I have a feeling the Side 200mm would do quite good, as it directly faces the motherboard and would help with cooling the GPU, CPU, etc. Unsure about the other two though.

Currently I have.
Rear Cooling fan 1 x 120mm
Side Cooling fan 2 x 120mm
Top Cooling fan 2 x 200mm

A link to see the specifications of my case.
http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/cases/cases/895562002742.html

Opinions?

 

[doyll]

No, blue LEDs are not necessary.

I am guessing you have:
Rear cooling 1x 120mm fan exhaust medium speed
Side cooling 2x 120mm fans intake medium speed
Top cooling back 200mm fan exhaust slow speed
Top cooling front 200mm fan intake slow speed

A front cooling 120mm fan intake would probably help... but you should be okay on cooling the way you are.

Last build was a Define R4; i7 3570K 3.4GHz under Silver Arrow SB-E Extreme; VTX3D Radeon HD 7950 X-Edition V3 w/2x 120mm temp controled fans replacing stock shroud & fans; 3x TY-147 (2x front & 1 bottom) intakes. Front intakes are PWM controlled by CPU fan PWM signal and bottom is PWM controlled by GPU PWM signal. The only time you hear it running is when doing serious gaming.. and even then it's just loud enough so you know the fans are running.

The TY-143 could be used as a case fan but it's way more fan than you will ever need or use for a case... and I don't know if it will even fit in the front of your case. You could put a TY-143 on the HR-02 (still more fan than needed) and assuming TY-140 series fan will fit in the front of your case use the HR-02's TY-147 as a front intake.. but you would need to lower it's speed some. Simple resister adapter or adjustable pot will do.

Remember it's 120mm fan mounting and is 151x141mm in size.. that's 10mm bigger on round sides... so make sure it will fit in your case.


You don't need a TY-140 series fan for a case fan.. but I like them as case fans using PWM control on them. And the fact they will pull/push a nice flow of air through grills, filters, HDD cage, cables, etc. is sure nice.

You could use a TY-140 for £7.04 just as well.. Same fan as TY-147, just different color (I'm using 3 in my own R2 case.
http://www.scan.co.uk/search.aspx?q=ty-140

TY-14x series fans are the best 140mm fans I know of.. especially for as cheap as they are. Only fans I know of as good are twice the money.

 

[Proxish]

The blue leds were purely for my own visual benefit, I love blue lol.

As far as I know, you are right on the intake/outtake.

All my fans currently have a built in analog control on top of the Pc. I just leave it on full power, leaves the leds bright and a good RPM (as far as I know) going to keep things cool.

I wouldn't even know where to start with having fans controlled by the CPU and GPU. I think I may be better just letting it do it's own thing for now... I've never tried using PMW control.

On cooling, I think I may need another fan on the side, the one that would be right above the MoBo/CPU/GPU would help greatly, as my my GPU seems to hit 55-60c quite fast when hardcore gaming, and it isn't overclocked yet. I think a front fan is necessary too, though I reckon another top fan is unnecessary.

So, we've settled on a CPU cooler. What are you suggesting for a second fan for it then? I'm slightly confused on that point...
I think I'll end up buying ( http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-003-NX ) for the side, directly above the MoBo to help my GPU.
Last question is what do I get for the front? The TY-147 / TY-140 or NZXT FZ-140 ( http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-015-NX&groupid=701&catid=2331&subcat=1816 )

 

[Conumdrum]

50-60C is wonderful GPU temps. Nothing to worry about. Run Furmark burn it test to see what the GPU really can get to if you like. Over 90C getting a bit warm.

 

[doyll]

The blue leds were purely for my own visual benefit, I love blue lol.

I know. Just couldn't resist a chance to tease you a little.

As far as I know, you are right on the intake/outtake.

All my fans currently have a built in analog control on top of the Pc. I just leave it on full power, leaves the leds bright and a good RPM (as far as I know) going to keep things cool.

I wouldn't even know where to start with having fans controlled by the CPU and GPU. I think I may be better just letting it do it's own thing for now... I've never tried using PMW control.

I suggest using PWM control on your CPU cooler.. Your CPU fan socket on mobo is probably PWM.. might need to set it to PWM in bios.

On cooling, I think I may need another fan on the side, the one that would be right above the MoBo/CPU/GPU would help greatly, as my my GPU seems to hit 55-60c quite fast when hardcore gaming, and it isn't overclocked yet. I think a front fan is necessary too, though I reckon another top fan is unnecessary.

Thought you had 2 top fans now.
2x top fans, back fan, cooler fan, and you want to add another on the side??
Be careful of too many fans blowing air in such a small are... Back and top back are exhaust.. with side and top front are intake Don't forget that blowing air does not necessarily make things cooler. You need to control how the air moves and where it goes. The object is to remove as much of the heated air as possible so it cannot mix with air in the case.. you need nice cool air going into cooler and GPU intakes... and you don't want that air having too much movement or it can cause turbulence in the cooler / GPU intake fans thus slowing down the amount of air they can suck in / cool with.

So, we've settled on a CPU cooler. What are you suggesting for a second fan for it then? I'm slightly confused on that point...

Best to use same fan on both ends so a TY-140/147.. If your order a TY-147 you can probably get them to post it free when it comes in. You may not need a second fan. I ran HR-02 on my 920 stock.. 100% load it hit 53c @ 950rpm rendering graphics. Don't know if HR-02 comes with 2nd set of fan clips either. But now is the time to get a second fan if you want it.

NZXT FZ-140I think I'll end up buying ( http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-003-NX ) for the side, directly above the MoBo to help my GPU. [/quote]
What I said before CPU cooler.

Last question is what do I get for the front? The TY-147 / TY-140 or NZXT FZ-140 ( http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FG-015-NX&groupid=701&catid=2331&subcat=1816 )

Blue LEDs do you need to ask?
The TY-140mm fans are better fans. But will they fit in your case? And they have no blue LEDs

 

[doyll]

What Conumdrum suggested.

 

[Proxish]

I'll run the FurMark test when I'm done writing this then.
I'm running my GPU fan on a custom setting. Very simple, 30c=30%, 80c=100%.

Right, I'll have a look at PWM later today then.
I have a program called ASRock eXtreme tuner, from there I can control the ideal temperature for the CPU and Chassis Fan1, and then the level at which Fan 2 and 3 preform at.

Right, I made a mistake earlier. I have:
Rear Cooling fan 1 x 120mm
Side Cooling fan 2 x 120mm
Top Cooling fan 1 x 200mm

I'm attaching photos so you can see why I want to add another side fan now to help keep things cool. But if you think it will interrupt my airflow, then I won't get it.



Yea, I definitely want 2 fans on the CPU.
Right, so I'll add two Thermalright TY-147 to the order then. Do I just get rid of the fan that comes on the cooler?

Yes, the front of the case has a 140mm fan slot, with both attachment slots for a 120mm and 140mm. I don't know if it will fit though.

Bloody hell I can be a pain in the *** lol.
Thinking back and using logic, I reckon a 200mm side fan may interrupt airflow... But a front fan is definitely a good idea.

I just checked:
TY-147 - L152 mm x H140 mm x W26.5 mm
NZXT FZ-140 - 140x140x25mm

Measuring the slot for the front fan: 142mm x 142m.
I don't think the TY-147 would fit... Or am I reading that wrong?

 

[Proxish]

Just ran a Burn-in Benchmark 1920x1080 15min. Hit 59c and no higher at an average of 45fps. Fan was running at 69% once it hit 59c.

 

[doyll]

Check the Macho HR-02 and see what fan it comes with. It will either be a TY-140 or TY-147. Same fan different colors. So you can run TY-140 and TY-147 together very nicely on the cooler.

Time to eat and have guests too so will answer the rest later.

 

[Proxish]

Right, found this over on Scan.
Never used them before, but they look pretty awesome and their prices are great.

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/ther...silent-fan-for-775-1155-1156-1366-amd-am2-am3

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/140mm-thermalright-ty-147-case-fan-silent-7-blade-dual-ball-bearing

So, all ready to go. Final few questions.

Should I get another 200mm top fan?
Should I get that 200mm side fan?

Thank you so much for all your help btw. I really appreciate it all.

Enjoy your meal and have fun with your guests.

 

[doyll]

Good morning!

I believe you will only get one set of fan clips with cooler... and 2nd set is £3.58.. crazy money!! Should be £0.59-1.99max.

Front fan: If front mount is a boxed in area measuring 142x142mm the TY-147 won't... unless you modify it to be 141x141mm
From this


to this


To do this you need basic woodworking and power tool skills and access to a good tablesaw or miter saw with a good fine tooth blade (carbide blade of course). Clap fan and trim 5mm off each of the round sides. Only takes 10 minutes at most. I can do this sort of in my sleep.


I don't think you need another 200mm fan. Your case in stock form is a pretty good cooler and you GPU idoing 59c @ 69% fan is good. Maybe try removing unused PCI slot covers from back of case. Check and see if air moves in or out.. if in you can use a kitchen 150x224mm scouring pads like Scotchbrite but cheapish local pound shop. Can be had in different colors from white to dark gray


It looks like the back 120mm side fan is in front of 2x HDD cage. If you could remove that cage and move extra PCU cables behind motherboard mounting plate that might increase airflow to GPU.

If yo needed additional cooling for CPU a fan in 3x of your 5.25 bays is best way to supply cool air. Images I've see look like the covers on them are grills. Not sure which 3x bays line up best with CPU. Would probably need to open bay door for maximum airflow.

If I missed anything just ask again.

 

[Proxish]

And good morning to you!

I think I'll have to stick with a NZXT fan for the front. I don't have access to any of that equipment unfortunately. Oh the joys of being a bloody student -_-

I'll preform that check shortly on the intake/outtake at the back.

Right, I'll also see what I can do about cables. This was the best I could do when building it, but I'm sure I can improve on it. I'll also see what I can do about the HDD cage. To recollection, I can't remove it. But I'll see what I can do.

Right, so on my order right now I have:
Thermalright HR-02 Macho Rev.A
140mm Thermalright TY-147
140mm NZXT FZ-140mm

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/ther...silent-fan-for-775-1155-1156-1366-amd-am2-am3
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/140mm-thermalright-ty-147-case-fan-silent-7-blade-dual-ball-bearing
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/140mm-nzxt-fz-140mm-led-airflow-fan-13-blades-fan-blue-led-1000rpm

Assuming the TY-147 doesn't have fan clips, can you link me to the ones I'm supposed to get?

 

[doyll]

You are going to owe me a few virtual pints before long!

TY-147 does not come with clips.
Scan has the clips... but they cost your first born and 3 lambs.
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/ther...mux-120-true-spirit-sliver-arrow-hr-02-archon

Or you can use pull-ties like this. Edit: I would turn zip-tie over. Fans are TY-143 & TY-140.

 

[Proxish]

I think I owe you at least a dozen virtual pints, and a couple of real ones too lol.

How about these clips?
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/thermalright-ifx-14-140mm-and-120mm-fan-clips

Just finished with the new cable management and rearranging of the case.
I was hoping to move the smaller HDD holder to replace the bigger one, but the little plastic bolt things used to hold it in place look... Weird... I didn't know how to get them out...
My other idea was to place the HDD's underneath the DVD, but I couldn't figure out a way to get them in safely.

 

[doyll]

Those clips will not work. The ends going into cooler are not there.


Much better cable management!
Have you tried removing the PCI slot covers and see if air blows out or is sucked in?

Can the big HDD cage be removed?

Could you put the small HDD cage under DVD?


3.5" HDD in 5.25" bay adapter
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/startech-35-universal-hard-drive-mounting-bracket-adapter-for-525-bay

2.5" SSD in 3.5" HDD bay adapter
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/akas...25-ssd-or-hdd-into-a-35-pc-internal-drive-bay

 

[Proxish]

Right, I'm slightly panicked right now. I just opened up my computer while on for the first time, and noticed the PSU fan isn't on. The led's in it are running fan, but the fan isn't moving... Is that normal? It didn't feel hot... Did I maybe unplug something while managing the cables?

 

[doyll]

From the product page...
Quiet Operation

A good gaming power supply must provide the cooling you need when you're pushing it hard, but it should be quiet when you're not. GS Series PSUs accomplish this through excellent efficiency — it generates less heat, so it requires less cooling — and a temperature-controlled 140mm fan that automatically adjusts its speed to meet demand. It doesn't even spin up until it's needed.

http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?p=587255

 

[Proxish]

Thank Doyll!
Panic attack averted...

Right, **** it. I've come this far, just ordering that clip you suggested.

Glad you like the cable management
I'll try the PCI slots in five.

I think the big HDD cage can be removed. Here is a picture of the things holding it in.
Sorry about the bad picture quality, I can't really get a good shot of them.




Would those two things you sent me allow me to mount my 3.5" and 2.5" in the CD drive bay?

 

[Proxish]

I already have a 2.5 to 3.5" tray for the SSD. So I could just get two of those 3.5 to 5.25 brackets...

EDIT: Sorry, my tag doesn't say. But I have a 250GB SSD and a 2TB HDD, both internal.

 

[doyll]

If the pins are plastic my guess is the inner piece is pushed in to force the pin to lock. If that is true than you can probably push from the other side and get them to release... But I have seen the pin seize (stick to other piece) and not come out. You could probably drill them out with a small bit. What is the silver bit in the middle??
Push lock rivet
http://www.anixtercomponents.com/product-at-a-glance.asp?id=5&language=2
http://www.mossplastics.com/push-lock-rivets

Velcro tape works to mount hdd and ssd too. Pretty amazing stuff. Can mount fans with it too. and it works as vibration dampener too.

The 3.5" to 5.25" is for mounting hdd in CD/DVD bay. So I would assume it would work in yours....