Can a NVidia 8300 GS (128Mb) be used on a 50" LCD TV?

[ratbuddy]

while they talk about tech the only thing it is a chip/mem width change. the size has nothing to do with the video card. its the resolution he will be running, if he is running aa/af the 8800GTS 640mb. has a wider memory width then the 8800GT/GTS 512mb, the difference is that both with out aa/af preform the same. the 9600GT is a good card for those with out much $$ to spend. as your talking 9600GT =$145,8800GT/GTS 512mb=$200-225. people dont list the memory for the 9600GT since it only comes with 512mb 256bit vs others. since with the 8800GTS you either get a 256bit/512mb or the 320bit/640mb or 320mb/320bit cards. the 8800GT only comes with 256bit 256mb/512mb cards.

8800GTS's
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130082
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130317
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130337

now just depending on how much he is willing to spend. i would say look at 9800GTX or a 9800GX2. if he doesnt mind ATI the 3870X2 is a good deal vs where it was at when released. there are options the problem is not knowing the price that person is willing to pay.

ati 3870X2 (not much more then the 9800GTX)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102723
9800GTX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130339
9800GX2 (basicly 2 8800GTS 512mb/256bit cards already in SLI)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130338


sorry but i read it a few times and prolly blind but i didnt see a price listed for a GPU. no with the GPU's i listed last the guy is prolly going to need a new psu in that dell rig. if he doesnt want to go that far stick with the 8800GTS 320bit or the 256bit cards.

Wait, what? Are you saying the 8800GTS-640 beats the 512 in ANY way? Tough to tell, the post seems a little but anyway, don't even consider a GTS-320 or GTS-640. They are old and not worth it.

 

[Evilsizer]

if you check benches at high res's with aa/af the wider memory width makes a differnce. its been shown, like i said if he isnt running aa/af then both cards will be the same. agian its been shown in benchmarks....

@Jason
yes i do tend to be blind at times. i guess that happens when i cant see staitght from lack of sleep and actaully being legaly blind without glasses. thats why i do read more then once in posts.

 

[TommyHolly]

Hmmm, I'm confused...LOL

OK so the 9600 GT is NOT as good? I kinda figured the higher the number, the newer-faster-more powerfull card there is???

To make things even more confusing, a few of you said that the 8800 GTS 640 is not as good as a 8800 GTS 512??? You would think the higher the number, again the more powerfull...

Out of all these cards, what is the fastest one?

 

[Hazaro]

Hmmm, I'm confused...LOL

OK so the 9600 GT is NOT as good? I kinda figured the higher the number, the newer-faster-more powerfull card there is???

To make things even more confusing, a few of you said that the 8800 GTS 640 is not as good as a 8800 GTS 512??? You would think the higher the number, again the more powerfull...

Out of all these cards, what is the fastest one?

8800GTS 512MB (It is based on the G92 core while the GTS 320/640MB are based on the older G80 core)

The G92 core also much much better video playback capabilities, loading the CPU much less.

 

[benscoobert]

8800gts 320 and 640 models are older than 8800gts 256 and 512, they run hotter too

so in general 512 is your best bet
I also have a gainward 8800gt 512 golden sample
I have to say the golden sample cooling is quite impressive compared with the basic version
may be something to consider if the htpc case is small

 

[Evilsizer]

ben,
we dont get gainward in the USA any more. the best company atm in the usa is EVGA then BFG,XFX.

 

[ratbuddy]

if you check benches at high res's with aa/af the wider memory width makes a differnce. its been shown, like i said if he isnt running aa/af then both cards will be the same. agian its been shown in benchmarks....

@jason
yes i do tend to be blind at times. i guess that happens when i cant see staitght from lack of sleep and actaully being legaly blind without glasses. thats why i do read more then once in posts.

I've never seen a GTS-640 beat a regular GT, let alone a GTS-512. Got a link?

 

[Evilsizer]

ok, so i found the stuff i remember reading about the 8800GTS 640mb being faster,though only slightly. now from the same sites they show the 8800GTS 512mb being barly faster,ok i give up. *walks away*

 

[Nebulous]

Forget the 9600GT as it's stream processors are cut in half (64).

The 8800GT/GTS (G92) has 112 stream processors.

IMHO the 8800GT/S is the better bang for the buck.

Don't get me wrong, The 9600GT is a nice card and all, but I would go for the 8800GT/S instead, but then that's me

 

[ratbuddy]

Forget the 9600GT as it's stream processors are cut in half (64).

The 8800GT/GTS (G92) has 112 stream processors.

IMHO the 8800GT/S is the better bang for the buck.

Don't get me wrong, The 9600GT is a nice card and all, but I would go for the 8800GT/S instead, but then that's me

Number of SPs has been shown to not really mean anything. The 9600GT has half the SPs yeah, but it performs within 10-15% of the 8800GT. It's also around $115-$120, compared to $150+ for the 8800GT, so for people who really can't afford an extra 30 bucks, it's a good deal.

 

[Nebulous]

Number of SPs has been shown to not really mean anything. The 9600GT has half the SPs yeah, but it performs within 10-15% of the 8800GT. It's also around $115-$120, compared to $150+ for the 8800GT, so for people who really can't afford an extra 30 bucks, it's a good deal.

If money is an issue, then yes. I, however, noticed a huge performance increase from my current card over the 8800GTS 640 I had before. And this is 112SP's over the 96SP's.

If i had a 50" LCD TV, i would shell the xtra $40 bux for the xtra SP's. IMHO I think the 9600GT is a total waste.

 

[Evilsizer]

i think its safe to say depending on the res the 9600GT is the best way to go for the price. since the OP's friend will be running 1080p, the 9600GT wont be able to handle that in gaming. the G92 GTS-512 is the best choice for his setup... i would go with this card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150261
since the EVGA's are OSS, there is one oced EVGA for $9 over budget but has a MIR with it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130337

here is the link i recall reading when they first came out. i think they may have had the colors switched.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_8800_gts_512mb/
reading over the specs agian neb, the 112SP is the GT, the GTS is 128SP's.

 

[Nebulous]

Right you are i should have been more precise.

 

[jason4207]

8800GTS-512 (G92) FTW!!!

 

[TommyHolly]

i think its safe to say depending on the res the 9600GT is the best way to go for the price. since the OP's friend will be running 1080p, the 9600GT wont be able to handle that in gaming. the G92 GTS-512 is the best choice for his setup... i would go with this card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150261
since the EVGA's are OSS, there is one oced EVGA for $9 over budget but has a MIR with it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130337

here is the link i recall reading when they first came out. i think they may have had the colors switched.
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_8800_gts_512mb/
reading over the specs agian neb, the 112SP is the GT, the GTS is 128SP's.

Thanks for the links. The 3rd one re-explained my original question and even had a chart for comparison.

So it looks like the 8800 GTS 512 MB is the best one to get. It seems that past this point, you start spending way more money and but not getting as much improvement in the cards. So now that I have the card picked out for him, (and me too...heh heh, I think I'm gonna buy one as well,) I have a few questions:

1. This card has PCI 2.0 which has a higher data rate. Because we bought a simple Inspiron Dell PC instead of a XPS, will that effect the way these cards work with the motherboard and smaller power source? Simply put, can I use it on the Inspiron?

2. I see that Newegg has a 9800 GTX (PNY brand) for $269... Thats just a few bucks more than the 8800 GTS you qouted for $254. Since I'm willing to spend around $300 for myself, is this an even better deal?

3. Is SLI that much a big deal? Would I be better off just getting (2) lower priced 8800 GTs and running them together?

Thanks! You guys have been a big help in understanding the whole GPU thing really quick.

 

[Hazaro]

PCI 2.0 is backwards compatable, and currently do not even saturate the 16x connection.

GTX not worth it, 8800GTS is cheaper than $254

SLi is bleh imo, it's also a PITA.

Just grab a nice 8800GTS 512MB

 

[TommyHolly]

PCI 2.0 is backwards compatable, and currently do not even saturate the 16x connection.

GTX not worth it, 8800GTS is cheaper than $254

SLi is bleh imo, it's also a PITA.

Just grab a nice 8800GTS 512MB

I compared the 8800 GTS 512MB to the 9800 GTX 512MB... As far as I can tell they are almost identical cards except for two things:
1. The 8800 GTS stock clock is 650MHz compared to the 675MHz of the 9800 GTX. (You can buy the GTS overclocked to 678MHz for an additional $10)
2. The 8800 GTS is pretty much $250 or below with a free game included! The 9800 GTX starts at around $330 with no game.

Edit: It looks like both the 8800 GTS AND the 9800 GTX have the ability to OC up to 800MHz, but only the9800 GTX can use tri-SLI and has some low power consumption thing that is not working yet, not to mention the problems with the drivers being so new. 8800 GTS is a clear choice for most bang for the buck. Look at this comparison chart I found. According to a google search, most other forums are saying that the 8800 GTS is actually a better card! LOL

 

[Socket eh?]

The 8800GT/GTS (G92) has 112 stream processors.

The GTS has 128sp.

 

[ScottinIndy]

OK, I am not very familiar with Dell, So anyway, I know they used to use proprietary PSU's in their rigs and it made upgrading the PSU a pain in the arse. Has that changed? I know on HP's/E-Machines, Gateway, Etc you can just plug in a new PSU with no problems, Just wondering if that is the case with Dells these days.

 

[Evilsizer]

if you dont plan to oc the GPU then the 9800GTX is for you if your willing to spend the extra. if your willing to oc the GPU then really get the 8800GTS 512mb.