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TF2

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I am selling my GTX 260 Core 216 and can't decide which graphics card to get. I have $240 to spend, I like the 4850x2 buts its 11.2 inches and I don't think it will fit in an Antec 300. I also considered getting 2 4850s, 2 4770s, 1 4870. I don't know of any nvidia cards that will get much better performance for the price, I read the 275 isn't much better. Anyone have suggestions/advice? Also my mobo is only crossfire supported.
 

killem2

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I am selling my GTX 260 Core 216 and can't decide which graphics card to get. I have $240 to spend, I like the 4850x2 buts its 11.2 inches and I don't think it will fit in an Antec 300. I also considered getting 2 4850s, 2 4770s, 1 4870. I don't know of any nvidia cards that will get much better performance for the price, I read the 275 isn't much better. Anyone have suggestions/advice? Also my mobo is only crossfire supported.

Here is what I gathered:

Both the HD 5800 series cards are virtually identical from the outside - except for length. The HD 5850 ends up shorter - around 9.5"/24cm, around HD 4870/90 length; the HD 5870 is longer, at 10.5"/27cm length - the same length as a 4870 X2.

SO:

HD 5850
9.5 inches

HD5870
10.5 inches


From NV site: GTX 260
Standard Graphics Card Dimensions:
Height 4.376 inches (111 mm)
Length 10.5 inches (267 mm)
Width Dual-slot

From NV site: GTX 295
Standard Graphics Card Dimensions:
Height 4.376 inches (111 mm)
Length 10.5 inches (267 mm)
Width Dual-slot



HD 5970
Length: 12.25 inches (metal plate to end of card)

Height: 1.6 inches




With this info it appears everything except the 5970 will be same size. Doesn't matter anyway, its out of your range (mine too, don't feel bad LOL)

With this info though, I would buy for your price, used is the way to go to get an upgrade, but new, if that 240 is before you sell your 260 then for sure, try and get a 5850/5870.

Otherwise, new with 240 all I can seem to find is gtx275 and that is hardly worth the trouble.
 
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TF2

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Here is what I gathered:

Both the HD 5800 series cards are virtually identical from the outside - except for length. The HD 5850 ends up shorter - around 9.5"/24cm, around HD 4870/90 length; the HD 5870 is longer, at 10.5"/27cm length - the same length as a 4870 X2.

SO:

HD 5850
9.5 inches

HD5870
10.5 inches


From NV site: GTX 260
Standard Graphics Card Dimensions:
Height 4.376 inches (111 mm)
Length 10.5 inches (267 mm)
Width Dual-slot

From NV site: GTX 295
Standard Graphics Card Dimensions:
Height 4.376 inches (111 mm)
Length 10.5 inches (267 mm)
Width Dual-slot



HD 5970
Length: 12.25 inches (metal plate to end of card)

Height: 1.6 inches




With this info it appears everything except the 5970 will be same size. Doesn't matter anyway, its out of your range (mine too, don't feel bad LOL)

With this info though, I would buy for your price, used is the way to go to get an upgrade, but new, if that 240 is before you sell your 260 then for sure, try and get a 5850/5870.

Otherwise, new with 240 all I can seem to find is gtx275 and that is hardly worth the trouble.

Any Ati cards from the 4xxx series, in crossfire you can recommend? Also I was saying the 4850x2 not 4870x2. Thanks for the reply.
 

killem2

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Any Ati cards from the 4xxx series, in crossfire you can recommend? Also I was saying the 4850x2 not 4870x2. Thanks for the reply.


Yeah I copy and pasted that sorry about that :), I had been researching the 4850x2 after that, there is a speckling of reviews with the antec 300, that are able to fit the 4850x2 however it is cutting off some of the possible air flow.

In otherwords, I wouldn't do it.

As far as the 4xxx series.. in cross fire.. hmm

Well as far as I can tell, the 4890 is the next 4xxx series better than a 260, so in xfire sure it would be better over all, then again, the price I believe is out of what you wanted to go.

However you can land a 4890 for your price range. If you are looking for a dx11 compatible 5770 is there but I think its on par with a 260 anyway.

a new 5850 is like 305.00 sadly, but there are some used ones in our classifieds here I believe that are still remaining for a bit over your range (i thought I saw one at 260?).

Just a quick 1080 resolution thing I took off an 5850 review it shows all the cards we're talking about thus far
20184.png

20199.png


There is always dual 4860s. But I will be honest, I don't know a lot about the cards since 8800gt to like gtx285. I've been studying a lot on the new 5xxx series.

IMO though: if the card cash is on top of 240 5850... if it isn't, I would wait a bit longer. Because at this point the only dx11 card in your range new is 5770.

Here is a crossfire setup of some 4xxxs

CROSSFIRE-31.JPG

CROSSFIRE-25.JPG
 
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I really want the 4850x2 but I don't think it's going to fit in my case (Antec 300), so I think its between the 4770 crossfire, 4890, or 5770. I don't really see any affordable Nvidia cards that will make to major of a difference (9800gtx+ x2 but I don't have an SLI motherboard). Of these cards what do you think would be best? Or any suggestions $240 and under?
 
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Yeah I copy and pasted that sorry about that :), I had been researching the 4850x2 after that, there is a speckling of reviews with the antec 300, that are able to fit the 4850x2 however it is cutting off some of the possible air flow.

In otherwords, I wouldn't do it.

As far as the 4xxx series.. in cross fire.. hmm

Well as far as I can tell, the 4890 is the next 4xxx series better than a 260, so in xfire sure it would be better over all, then again, the price I believe is out of what you wanted to go.

However you can land a 4890 for your price range. If you are looking for a dx11 compatible 5770 is there but I think its on par with a 260 anyway.

a new 5850 is like 305.00 sadly, but there are some used ones in our classifieds here I believe that are still remaining for a bit over your range (i thought I saw one at 260?).

Just a quick 1080 resolution thing I took off an 5850 review it shows all the cards we're talking about thus far
20184.png

20199.png


There is always dual 4860s. But I will be honest, I don't know a lot about the cards since 8800gt to like gtx285. I've been studying a lot on the new 5xxx series.

IMO though: if the card cash is on top of 240 5850... if it isn't, I would wait a bit longer. Because at this point the only dx11 card in your range new is 5770.

Here is a crossfire setup of some 4xxxs

CROSSFIRE-31.JPG

CROSSFIRE-25.JPG

Thanks again, I think right now it is between the 4770x2 or 4890 because they are the only two that make a real difference between my GTX 260. The 5770 just has DX11 which isn't that big of a deal to me (or I dont think so, the pictures looked the same between DX10 and DX11).
 

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I am selling my GTX 260 Core 216 and can't decide which graphics card to get. I have $240 to spend, I like the 4850x2 buts its 11.2 inches and I don't think it will fit in an Antec 300. I also considered getting 2 4850s, 2 4770s, 1 4870. I don't know of any nvidia cards that will get much better performance for the price, I read the 275 isn't much better. Anyone have suggestions/advice? Also my mobo is only crossfire supported.
First of all, 1 HD4870 is equal to a GTX260 216 (and 5770 is also about equal to GTX260 216). So for the love of Pete dont do that!!!

What resolution do you game at that you feel the 260 isnt enough for you? I game at 1920x1080 and can run Crysis at that res with a mix of Vhigh/high settings... anything I can run full tilt with AA on top of it...

As far as Crossfire, Im not a big fan of it. I dont see the point in buying two cards and only getting between 0-80% scaling out of them. But to each their own.

With $240 right now, there isnt really something signficantly better available. Sure the HD4890 and GTX275 are a bit better, but its not significant enough to me personally. Maybe wait
 

killem2

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I really want the 4850x2 but I don't think it's going to fit in my case (Antec 300), so I think its between the 4770 crossfire, 4890, or 5770. I don't really see any affordable Nvidia cards that will make to major of a difference (9800gtx+ x2 but I don't have an SLI motherboard). Of these cards what do you think would be best? Or any suggestions $240 and under?



Well at that price point: 4890 is a really powerful card. 5770 is dx11 and would give you similar perm of a 260.

I would say, 4890, 5770 NEW. But again it isn't a huge upgrade.

Try your hardest to find a used 5850.

I was checking in my local area and found actually a 5850 for 288.00

HD 5850

I know its out of your range. I normally hate it when people do that to me, but that is not too far out of range and the difference is a whole hell of a lot bigger than a 5770 will be. But if you need the upgrade now, I totally get it, I've been there too.
 
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TF2

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Well I have a 1920x1080 monitor I game at, which my card can play crysis on very high, but a friend of mine is building a computer and he wants my card so I figured I will sell it to him. I am seeing benchmarks and I can't really tell which cards are better between the two. There is also a $30 price difference. I have never seen nor used crossfire so I have no opinion of it yet...
 

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I would honestly say your best option, which is out of your budget range new and used it seems right now, is the HD 5850.
 

mattspalace

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You should definitely pass on the 4850x2 - pretty worthless card overall.

I agree with EarthDog - keep what you have, unless you can drop another $75 or so for a 5850. I personally wouldn't buy any current nvidia offering given the upcoming 3xx release in March or so..
 
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TF2

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I found an open box 4870 for a good deal. Should I go for it?
 
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TF2

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Are you upgrading or replacing? The HD4870 is as fast as a GTX 260 216...

Upgrading, but I could get two of them. I also found an open box 5850 for $205 and it falls in budget...just have never bought any open box items before.
 

EarthDog

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I would get the open box item over the same speed video card as the 4870 is not an upgrade at all. ;)
 
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TF2

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I would get the open box item over the same speed video card as the 4870 is not an upgrade at all. ;)

Have you ordered an open box before, they have great deals, a 4870x2 for $260, 5850 for $205, 4870 for $116, and a 4890 for $160 (I hope they wont run out now that I just said the prices...). But I read its really risky, I just read on anandtech I think it was that a guy ordered a 5850, opened the box and got a 9600gso...I don't want that to happen...
 

killem2

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Have you ordered an open box before, they have great deals, a 4870x2 for $260, 5850 for $205, 4870 for $116, and a 4890 for $160 (I hope they wont run out now that I just said the prices...). But I read its really risky, I just read on anandtech I think it was that a guy ordered a 5850, opened the box and got a 9600gso...I don't want that to happen...

What is an Open Box item?

Open Box items have been opened and touched and/or returned. Because they originate from different situations, they may or may not include accessories, documentation or retail packaging. Refurbishment is done by the manufacturer. Open Box products are warranted for only 30 days. We recommend that you try out your Open Box product immediately after receiving it.
 
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What is an Open Box item?

Open Box items have been opened and touched and/or returned. Because they originate from different situations, they may or may not include accessories, documentation or retail packaging. Refurbishment is done by the manufacturer. Open Box products are warranted for only 30 days. We recommend that you try out your Open Box product immediately after receiving it.

Hmm, sounds decent...
 
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TF2

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I think I am going to stick with the 4xxx series since the 5850 open box is sold out and I don't have the money for one right now. I also don't want to pay full price for the 5850 because I know in 3 months it will be $100 cheaper. So now its between: 4770 xfire, 4850 xfire, or a single 4890. What do you think would be best? Also I looked at a list of games that support crossfire and all of the games I own do, but you guys said it may not scale right...