I can't remember where I saw it, but they interviewed someone from AMD who said that unless you were buying an AMD video card that was PCIe 4.0 or an NVME drive that supports NVME 4.0 that the x570 would not benefit someone who already owned a quality x470 board. The smart buy might be to see what happens to the price on the x470 boards when the x570 start shipping.
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Asus X570 Motherboards.
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Yeah I think my purchasing advise is going to be on the lines of:
x570 top tier: Buy if you want NVMe 4.0 only or if you plan to do extreme overclocking
x570 mid tier: Buy if you want NVMe 4.0
x500 bot tier: Don't buy, even for NVMe 4.0.
x470 (any): Most people should buy a x470 and it will satisfy all their needs.
Justification: The top tier x570s will be using better routing, and better material stackups that the PCIe Gen 4.0 and high memory speeds require. You should find these boards to be the best for the latest and greatest of technologies to come before the next step in 2021/2022. Mid-tier boards may be able to handle PCIe Gen 4.0, but may not have the best routing, so you may see some data rate difference, but its hard to say what that difference will be until the boards are released. Material stackup at this tier will differ but its too early to say. The low end x500 tier is most likely not worth it, even if all you wanted was NVMe 4.0. I'm expecting the material stackup to start using older materials that may not completely support these faster data rates of PCIe Gen 4 and memory. The end devices may train but I expect much lower data rates than the top tier x570 boards. This means those in this budget range should just stick with the x400 boards for now.
On top of this, GPUs with PCIe Gen 4.0 are not worth it right now. Nvidia's wait on advancement is justifiable. However, AMD could gain traction in Gen 4.0 with multi-GPU setups. I think that crossfire and DX12 multi-GPU systems could take a lot of advantages with the faster data rates, but this will take time to mature. As I see it, there are no advantages for GPUs at Gen 4.0 right now.
x570 top tier: Buy if you want NVMe 4.0 only or if you plan to do extreme overclocking
x570 mid tier: Buy if you want NVMe 4.0
x500 bot tier: Don't buy, even for NVMe 4.0.
x470 (any): Most people should buy a x470 and it will satisfy all their needs.
Justification: The top tier x570s will be using better routing, and better material stackups that the PCIe Gen 4.0 and high memory speeds require. You should find these boards to be the best for the latest and greatest of technologies to come before the next step in 2021/2022. Mid-tier boards may be able to handle PCIe Gen 4.0, but may not have the best routing, so you may see some data rate difference, but its hard to say what that difference will be until the boards are released. Material stackup at this tier will differ but its too early to say. The low end x500 tier is most likely not worth it, even if all you wanted was NVMe 4.0. I'm expecting the material stackup to start using older materials that may not completely support these faster data rates of PCIe Gen 4 and memory. The end devices may train but I expect much lower data rates than the top tier x570 boards. This means those in this budget range should just stick with the x400 boards for now.
On top of this, GPUs with PCIe Gen 4.0 are not worth it right now. Nvidia's wait on advancement is justifiable. However, AMD could gain traction in Gen 4.0 with multi-GPU setups. I think that crossfire and DX12 multi-GPU systems could take a lot of advantages with the faster data rates, but this will take time to mature. As I see it, there are no advantages for GPUs at Gen 4.0 right now.
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Are the VRMs on the high-end x470 boards just crap? I figured if you got a high-end x470 board and didn't want PCIe 4.0 that it should run the 12 or 16c ok unless maybe you were a benchmonkey.
I have some friends interested, so I'm just trying to understand where I should steer them.
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You noticed the name on the door on the way in, right? LOL
There are some decent ones from Asus and Gigabyte. However the ODMs have really put a lot more effort into the overall quality of the x570 boards. This comes with a higher price. Its up to you if its worth it or not. Best to give it a month after the initial rush of buyers. Let the stock come back up with the rev 1.1 boards than buy.
umm, we are.
But I'm talking about a daily driver ambient overclock. If these (a 3950x and only) reach 5.4 ghz on ln2 all c/t... I wonder what ambient will bring. Maybe its 4.7 ghz boost on all c/t? Either way, I see heat getting in the way, but do worry about those overclocking the 12c/16c parts on lesser boards. I dont care about the stock tdp...I'm wondering how it scales...
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4.7 GHz on all cores at ambient? That's what I'm running on my (previously) future proof Skylake. Granted, it still does what I need just fine, but 16c/32t at those speeds? With the Zen architecture? Daaaaamn. That would be impressive, especially when you consider the competition.
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We don't have them listed here yet, but that price is certainly Godlike. It didn't take long for Intel to become the budget alternative, did it?
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Yes I know I looked at the US site before I posted …… The CHVIII Formula is supposed to be similarly priced. Second level X570 boards are rumoured to be 250 - 350 US$ Third tier ….. 150 - 170 US$.
https://www.techpowerup.com/256443/...-motherboard-price-list-paints-a-horror-story
https://wccftech.com/retailer-leaks-prices-of-amd-ryzen-3000-cpus-x570-motherboards/
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/e...ds-will-get-a-steeper-price-says-msi-ceo.html
Thankfully I am not in the market for a top tier board, though waiting to see real numbers for second tier to figure out where I go for a motherboard.
https://www.techpowerup.com/256443/...-motherboard-price-list-paints-a-horror-story
https://wccftech.com/retailer-leaks-prices-of-amd-ryzen-3000-cpus-x570-motherboards/
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/e...ds-will-get-a-steeper-price-says-msi-ceo.html
Thankfully I am not in the market for a top tier board, though waiting to see real numbers for second tier to figure out where I go for a motherboard.
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Yikes, I am gonna be sticking with my current x470 board. Paired with the 3700x so it should easily handle it even when oc’d.
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Some more MOBO's Gigabyte off EBAY all shipping from Israel all prices are in US Dollars
Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE Motherboard CPU AM4 AMD Ryzen DDR4 HDMI GbE LAN RGB – $390.90 US
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Gigabyte-X5...337505?hash=item3b33ee7ae1:g:vQ8AAOSwWuldEKqK
Gigabyte X570 GAMING X Motherboard CPU AM4 AMD Ryzen DDR4 HDMI RGB LED GbE LAN – $253.90 US
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Gigabyte-X5...318307?hash=item3b33ee2fe3:g:oHMAAOSwUDldEKPv
Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER Motherboard CPU AM4 AMD Ryzen DDR4 WiFi 2.5GbE LAN – $545.90 US
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Gigabyte-X5...766510?hash=item3d8df6cbae:g:t3wAAOSwDQ1dELy~
Gigabyte X570 AORUS PRO Motherboard CPU AM4 AMD Ryzen DDR4 HDMI RGB LED GbE LAN – $363.90
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Gigabyte-X5...728813?hash=item3d8df6386d:g:8tsAAOSwq19dELLt
Gigabyte X570 AORUS ULTRA Motherboard CPU AM4 AMD Ryzen DDR4 HDMI GbE LAN WiFi – $418.90 US
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Gigabyte-X5...756174?hash=item3d8df6a34e:g:RxUAAOSw8VxdELmA
NEW Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI Motherboard CPU AM4 AMD Ryzen DDR4 HDMI WiFi – $318.90 US
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-Gigabyt...417448?hash=item3b33efb328:g:KJ0AAOSw~G5dEMOb
Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE Motherboard CPU AM4 AMD Ryzen DDR4 HDMI GbE LAN RGB – $390.90 US
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Gigabyte-X5...337505?hash=item3b33ee7ae1:g:vQ8AAOSwWuldEKqK
Gigabyte X570 GAMING X Motherboard CPU AM4 AMD Ryzen DDR4 HDMI RGB LED GbE LAN – $253.90 US
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Gigabyte-X5...318307?hash=item3b33ee2fe3:g:oHMAAOSwUDldEKPv
Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER Motherboard CPU AM4 AMD Ryzen DDR4 WiFi 2.5GbE LAN – $545.90 US
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Gigabyte-X5...766510?hash=item3d8df6cbae:g:t3wAAOSwDQ1dELy~
Gigabyte X570 AORUS PRO Motherboard CPU AM4 AMD Ryzen DDR4 HDMI RGB LED GbE LAN – $363.90
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Gigabyte-X5...728813?hash=item3d8df6386d:g:8tsAAOSwq19dELLt
Gigabyte X570 AORUS ULTRA Motherboard CPU AM4 AMD Ryzen DDR4 HDMI GbE LAN WiFi – $418.90 US
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Gigabyte-X5...756174?hash=item3d8df6a34e:g:RxUAAOSw8VxdELmA
NEW Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI Motherboard CPU AM4 AMD Ryzen DDR4 HDMI WiFi – $318.90 US
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-Gigabyt...417448?hash=item3b33efb328:g:KJ0AAOSw~G5dEMOb
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Ouch! I hope a significant part of those prices is shipping.
I tell you guys, I'm becoming concerned that the high prices of these x570 motherboards is going to backfire in AMD's face. I'm afraid it will discourage many people from adopting the new platform. Hopefully, the prices we have seen so far are for the boards at the very top end of the enthusiast spectrum.
I tell you guys, I'm becoming concerned that the high prices of these x570 motherboards is going to backfire in AMD's face. I'm afraid it will discourage many people from adopting the new platform. Hopefully, the prices we have seen so far are for the boards at the very top end of the enthusiast spectrum.
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Well, the x570/PCIe 4.0 implementation is expensive, and the board partners are finally expanding their top tier ranges to include AMD. Remember the FX board problems? A literal handful of enthusiast boards existed (And all from Asus). Now there is serious confidence that the Zen architecture is a big win and everyone is producing good , high end boards for the socket. High board prices didn't slow down Intel's sales, and the x470 on down will be sufficient for the majority of users, so AMD is probably safe from too much blowback on that.
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AMD shoudl still easily retain the performance/dollar if the early leaks are true. 3600X is close in performance and $240~ cheaper, especially if the 3600X can run on the non top tier boards well enough. Should make for equal performance at a significantly cheaper price point.These are MORE expensive than Intel mainstream on average.
