FBI wants a backdoor for all IOS devices ???

[JLK03F150]

The owner is deceased (has no rights). Next of kin having some kind of property rights?

He's not even the owner of the phone. It belongs to San Bernardino (his employer) and I'm assuming they have given the FBI permission to retrieve what ever they can get.

 

[Alaric]

But then the FBI won't have a "key" to unlock any iPhone they want any time they want , possibly without leaving evidence of their sated curiosity? I think it makes sense. Also , they apparently triggered a second level of security by being ham handed initially , and that is what is tripping them up. The only way it makes sense is if one questions the honesty of their stated (and unstated) end goals.

You mean they didnt quit when they realized you were right? Offer you a hearty handshake and an apology? You had to CATCh them breaking the rules and then rub their noses in it? Thats hard to credit buddy!

Nope. It took four lawyers , five trips to court , the end of a 25 year marriage , and a year to finally have a judge summarily dismiss the entire case. The were never any criminal charges or allegations of criminal wrongdoing. Making it regulatory allowed them to bypass the stricter standards of evidence native to criminal court , and proceed to harass me and my family through the civil courts. The burden of "proof" there is a 51% chance of "maybe". My unwillingness to cooperate with the state led them to threaten , and attempt , to take my child. Because I told her not to speak to them without her parents present. It was an adventure. People who have gone along with them , because they were told that's the easiest way , have spent years under the state's thumb trying to get their children back. All because a disgruntled (drug addict) relative with a grudge made an anonymous phone call. I won , and kept my child , but at enormous financial and personal cost. I don't trust governments.

Hijack over. Back to hatin' on the FBI. LOL

 

[saturn]

But then the FBI won't have a "key" to unlock any iPhone they want any time they want , possibly without leaving evidence of their sated curiosity? I think it makes sense. Also , they apparently triggered a second level of security by being ham handed initially , and that is what is tripping them up. The only way it makes sense is if one questions the honesty of their stated (and unstated) end goals.



Nope. It took four lawyers , five trips to court , the end of a 25 year marriage , and a year to finally have a judge summarily dismiss the entire case. The were never any criminal charges or allegations of criminal wrongdoing. Making it regulatory allowed them to bypass the stricter standards of evidence native to criminal court , and proceed to harass me and my family through the civil courts. The burden of "proof" there is a 51% chance of "maybe". My unwillingness to cooperate with the state led them to threaten , and attempt , to take my child. Because I told her not to speak to them without her parents present. It was an adventure. People who have gone along with them , because they were told that's the easiest way , have spent years under the state's thumb trying to get their children back. All because a disgruntled (drug addict) relative with a grudge made an anonymous phone call. I won , and kept my child , but at enormous financial and personal cost. I don't trust governments.

Hijack over. Back to hatin' on the FBI. LOL

sue.

 

[Alaric]

Therein lies another problem. Most of the lawyers in this state are afraid to sue them. They have been known to retaliate by opening child welfare cases against attorneys who oppose them. In AZ , the agency that "oversees" child welfare has virtually unchecked power. It's a long and ugly story , and this thread isn't the place for it.

The current Apple situation has so many potential bad (for Americans) outcomes that it staggers the imagination. I believe this is a big push. The Patriot Act made "legal" holding US citizens in custody indefinitely , without charges of criminal misconduct. As far back as the 80s , Broward County Florida could , and did , hold people in jail for up to 21 days without charges. Many people were/are released after 21 days and never charged. That is the local police , the cop on the beat , deciding you're guilty and sentencing you to three weeks incarceration with NO appeal. Ever been in a jail? People die in there. Cases like the current DOJ/Apple fiasco aren't about privacy. They're about justice and freedom as defined by the Constitution. This is some scary stuff , folks. Governments are grabbing power they aren't entitled to , with the intent of abusing and misusing that power. People have come to expect the government to lie to them , so aren't surprised when it happens. The reaction to deceit becomes subdued and the deceivers become bolder and we find ourselves actually trusting their intentions as stated.

Call me paranoid , accuse me of having a tinfoil hat , but remember this.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[Mpegger]

(Paraphrased) 11,000 different request for help from govts worldwide with Apple attempting to help in 7100 cases! (/Paraphrase) Apple has already given out over 7100 hints tips and tricks (Just to be nice no less!). Conceivably the best tech nerds the FBI can buy would have access to these 7100 hints tips and tricks.

What you (and many other articles continue to leave out), is that those 7.1k iPhones Apple unlocked for the feds and other governments, were from iOS 7 and earlier, which were not encrypted.

 

[Alaric]

And I'm happily back on topic. Gotta love judicial oversight. Score one for the good guys. http://www.majorgeeks.com/news/story/judge_rules_in_apples_favor_no_unlocking.html

 

[EarthDog]

Dear all terrorists,

Please be sure to use Apple phones so there is no way we can find out more details and prevent further attacks. The US judiciary system approves.

~ US Government.

A deplorable ruling that jeopardizes the safety of the US citizens because they can't grow pair and people are worried about precious privacy. Wont even let apple unlock it and give them the information (their compromise). The US is more ****ed up than I thought. I wonder how many terrorists camps are screaming in joy at the top of their lungs now laughing at the US? Shame on us. There only a reason or two I wouldn't touch apple products, that just increased by one and moved to the top of the list.

Who's got two thumbs and is moving away from DC so I don't get caught in the **** storm that will inevitably happen right here on our home turf again? This guy. Im honestly sick to my stomach over this ruling. I fear we have no idea of the implications of this until it is too late and hundreds or thousands of lives are lost because of it. But, hey, enjoy your privacy people!

/rant

Unsubscribed before I truly lose my ****.

 

[Janus67]

A deplorable ruling that jeopardizes the safety of the US citizens because they can't grow pair and people are worried about precious privacy. Wont even let apple unlock it and give them the information (their compromise). The US is more ****ed up than I thought. I wonder how many terrorists camps are screaming in joy at the top of their lungs now laughing at the US? Shame on us. There only a reason or two I wouldn't touch apple products, that just increased by one and moved to the top of the list.

Who's got two thumbs and is moving away from DC so I don't get caught in the **** storm that will inevitably happen right here on our home turf again? This guy. Im honestly sick to my stomach over this ruling. I fear we have no idea of the implications of this until it is too late and hundreds or thousands of lives are lost because of it. But, hey, enjoy your privacy people!

/rant

Unsubscribed before I truly lose my ****.

As far as I know both Google and Microsoft agreed with Apple's decision as well. Now whether or not the same type of encryption that is utilized on apple devices is similar enough to that which is on an Android or Windows Phone I have no idea (maybe they can just type in 12345 and have a master key, /shrug)

 

[RollingThunder]

I think much of this revolves around who is the most believable and trustworthy regarding
the overall issue and who would you put your money on with what we as laypeople know:

a/ The US Government

b/ Apple / Google / Microsoft

Looking at past track records the answer is a no-brainer, no?


When an FBI agent came to my home flashing his badge some years ago looking
for a person that I knew of (not friends with) and then implied I knew where this person
was and wasn't telling them I told him I didn't know where he is, I hardly knew him
and then said "You're the FBI, go find him now GTFO and don't come back with your
implications and your fancy badge." They never came back.

Intimidation is a standard part of their routine operations whether in person or through the
parasites in the media. "Trust but verify" is the issue and the FBI has a lot to verify to
everyone regarding the Apple / FBI request issue IMO.

 

[Alaric]

There are risks inherent to a free society. I'm not so fearful that I'll live in a cage because I'll feel "safer". I don't separate privacy from freedom , and I have no intention of voluntarily surrendering any of my rights just because it may make somebody on the other side of the continent feel safer. I'm not a criminal and I'm not a terrorist. I refuse to be treated like one "just in case". Until I demonstrate behavior dangerous to others the government is forbidden , by the Constitution , from unreasonable search and seizure of MY property , and I have a RIGHT to be secure in my person. The same way I have a right to question , oppose , and defame said government while standing in front of my house or the White House.
It is not the government's right to mistrust the populace. It is the people's obligation to mistrust the government.

 

[knoober]

^that's a flying shark vs a flying crocodile^

I wonder who will win. Either way its not good for the regular humans

 

[Alaric]

John McAfee claims the phone can be unlocked in 30 minutes. He then goes on to question the FBI's true motives. Imagine that.

 

[knoober]

John McAfee claims the phone can be unlocked in 30 minutes. He then goes on to question the FBI's true motives. Imagine that.

So, is that an offer to unlock the device? Perhaps they will sue him to do it next?

 

[dyckah]

So, is that an offer to unlock the device? Perhaps they will sue him to do it next?

He did actually offer to unlock it for them. Sounds like a publicity stunt to me.

 

[knoober]

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/26/ex-cia-officer-turned-gop-rep-why-i-support-apple.html

what I find interesting about this snippet is all the areas of info that are already open (which I supposed I could have reasoned out without being told by the guy in the article).

Hurd said one thing Hurd learned during his more than nine years chasing terrorists is the private sector is an important partner in the fight. He said the FBI already has information from the phone's iCloud backup and can obtain information from app creators and cellphone records or text messages from service providers.

So do we have a clue exactly what they are looking for that wouldnt be found in these sources? I cant imagine what else might exist beyond what they can already have from those sources. Personal notes stored in the phone maybe?

 

[Alaric]

The interview.
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/john-mcafee-reveals-how-to-crack-the-iphone-on-live-tv/84944695/

 

[knoober]

The interview.
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/john-mcafee-reveals-how-to-crack-the-iphone-on-live-tv/84944695/

Sounds plausible from what I know of hardware, but I qualify as the layman here. Can anyone corroborate what was said in this interview.

 

[saturn]

John McAfee claims the phone can be unlocked in 30 minutes. He then goes on to question the FBI's true motives. Imagine that.

If the FBI is anything like DHS they can't unlock the phone quickly as they don't know how and need help (legally) so that any officer can decrepit phones in a timely mater.
I know a few people that work for DHS and they all say the same thing. Other then the forensics and us-cert guys very few people are tech savvy or upto date on tech stuff. Or so I'm told.

 

[wingman99]

Sounds plausible from what I know of hardware, but I qualify as the layman here. Can anyone corroborate what was said in this interview.

It is not that easy to get information from the iPhone, you need Apples decrypted algorithm to see the disassembler language, so in short you need Apples disassembler program.

 

[Alaric]

Which would be what the FBI is after.